Point in getting above level 6 pirate?

[R_U_My_Slave]

What are the uses of doing that?

Lets see, you get to kill more monsters that drop more gold but you lose your newbie protection when you get sunk.

Its EXTREMELY unfair. There are PLENTY of people that are below level 6 but have full pearls. They kept their level below 6 so that they can still have the newbie protection but in what ways are they newbies? Full pearls and still a newbie? Basically it seriously make no sense to go above level 6. The benefits just isnt there. Sure more maps and more monsters to kill but seriously, how many people are here to kill monsters? The purpose of an online game is to allow players to INTERACT with each other. Getting higher level pirates doesnt help much since majority of the players hang around the lower level maps.

Let me also put it another way. Theres a level 2 pirate with full pearl and a level 10 pirate with maybe half pearl.

Theorically since a level 10 pirate is MUCH MUCH more experienced that the level 2, the level 10 shouldnt even break a sweat to beat him. However go try that out and you'll realise it doesnt make any sense. The guy who get newbie protection because hes more like a newbie will shoot the shit out of the level 10 more experienced pirate.

Unlike other games, levels in SeaFight just doesnt give any advantage to higher levels. In fact you actually get an advantage for being low level.


So , what can we do to even out this?

There are a few ways we can do it.

1 ) All players who has played for more than 2 weeks will not get any newbie protection. You shouldnt be a newbie after 2 weeks. I havent even play the game for more than 1 week and i already got the hang of things.

2 ) Provide a SHORTER protection period for the level 6 pirates. A 30 minute protection should be more than enough. This will make it such that level 6 or more pirates doesnt get that big a disadvantage.

3 ) Make it such that the No-Newbie-Protection-Period rule only apply if you are in a level 6 or HIGHER map. This would make it such that staying at low pirate level doesnt give you any advantage.

4 ) Give advantage to higher level pirates. You SHOULD be stronger if you are higher leveled but it doesnt work this way now. For every level you gain, you will be 10% stronger than the first level.

At level 2 , your strength is 110% of a level 2 with the same item.
At level 3 , your strength is 120% of a level 2 with the same item.
At level 4 , your strength is 130% of a level 2 with the same item.
At level 5 , your strength is 140% of a level 2 with the same item.
At level 6 , your strength is 150% of a level 2 with the same item.

The list goes on...

This would make sense because as a more experienced pirate, you should theorically be able to make better use of the same resources available.

This will make it such that its actually wise to level up your pirates.


5 ) Change pearl cannonballs into 10 different graded pearl balls. Level 1 - 10. All of them have different attack power , but the higher the better and the price will be the same for each. The grade level of pearl balls will be the same as your pirate level so you'll better with a higher pirate

Well there are plenty of ways to improve the current system and i barely listed out a few. I hope that the admins will take my ideas into consideration when they decided on future updates. I need to repeat this again. The current system does NOT benefit higher level pirates.

[CM-peace*keeper**]

Wow alot of opinions for one week of playing. Of course a full pearl will easily win against a half pearl no matter the level. In any game I have played the player with the better equipment will win. Unless that players knows some moves that can help in a battle. This comes with experience.

The reason to level up to the higher maps would be a few.
1. The higher maps are where you earn your experience points. This game has different types pf players. Some just want to war and sink players. Some want to earn EP and sink players. Some want to just earn EP. One NPC on lvl 7 and up can equal many sinks worth of EP at 20 per ship sank. Thats why there are different types of guilds and alliances. Some war some dont.

2. You can get away form noobs in the lower maps. If we were in a fight in a lvl 5 map and you were winning I can change to a map up. You cant follow. :p When you are a level 10 player there is no place to hide.

3. Yes this is a game to interact with other players but it also is a feather in the cap to say you are the highest lvl that can be. Look at the best guilds in this game and most of the members are lvl 10 players.

Yes you lose noobie protection at lvl 6 and up but do you really want to be called a noob the whole time you play this game. Since we are playing with real people and not a computer there is a respect factor that goes into it. People will have more respect for a higher level player. I know I do.

The other reason for a noob to have a small advantage over a non noob player is that the noob will get off the first shot. Sometimes that is a huge advantage if both ships are full pearls. So in that case level doesnt matter. But giving a equipment advantage for each level wouldnt keep everyone on a even playing field. That is one of the great parts of this game.

If it concerns you that much do what the rest of us do. Have a level 10 and a level 5 full pearl.lol:D

[R_U_My_Slave]

I'll break up your post to little bits to reply to each part

Wow alot of opinions for one week of playing. Of course a full pearl will easily win against a half pearl no matter the level. In any game I have played the player with the better equipment will win. Unless that players knows some moves that can help in a battle. This comes with experience.[quote]

Yes i know that and thats exactly the point im making. Level does NOT matter in this game. Just because you are higher leveled does NOT make you more experienced. A level 6 pirate is deemed as experienced and therefore does NOT have the newbie protection while even if you played for 10 years and is still a level 5 pirate , you are a newbie and therefore you'll get the newbie protection. Its just not fair this way if you get what i mean.


[quote=peace*keeper**;64582]1. The higher maps are where you earn your experience points. This game has different types pf players. Some just want to war and sink players. Some want to earn EP and sink players. Some want to just earn EP. One NPC on lvl 7 and up can equal many sinks worth of EP at 20 per ship sank. Thats why there are different types of guilds and alliances. Some war some dont.

Well, its true that you can earn more EP but afterall, online games are popular because you can interact with each other. Whats the point of just playing this game to kill monsters? One might as well go play maplestory ( Its an online game.. you can google it if you wanna know whats it about lol ) if they are just here to ONLY (keyword : ONLY. ) kill monsters. Anyway, it doesnt really matters if you got high EP or not since it doesnt make you any stronger.


2. You can get away form noobs in the lower maps. If we were in a fight in a lvl 5 map and you were winning I can change to a map up. You cant follow. :p When you are a level 10 player there is no place to hide.

Sure you can get away from noobs in lower maps but unlike other games where you can give items to noobs and therefore they would follow you around if you dont give them, this game doesnt allow it. Also, if they are following you, sooner or later their protection will be gone and they'll be sunk by you so it doesnt matter.

As for fighting in a level 5 map, most of the fights are fought at level 2 or 3. Its very quiet at the higher level map and the chances of what you said happening is probably very small.

3. Yes this is a game to interact with other players but it also is a feather in the cap to say you are the highest lvl that can be. Look at the best guilds in this game and most of the members are lvl 10 players.

It doesnt really matter if you are higher level or not. People only care if you are the one sinking others. They'll just go " Who cares if you are level 10 when you are getting sunk by a level 1 pirate? ".

Yes you lose noobie protection at lvl 6 and up but do you really want to be called a noob the whole time you play this game. Since we are playing with real people and not a computer there is a respect factor that goes into it. People will have more respect for a higher level player. I know I do.

Who the hell will call you a noob when you are practically sinking everyone you see? You cant even see their levels so people usually go by the damage dealt to determine if you are a noob or not and having a higher level pirate doesnt help in anyway.

The other reason for a noob to have a small advantage over a non noob player is that the noob will get off the first shot. Sometimes that is a huge advantage if both ships are full pearls. So in that case level doesnt matter. But giving a equipment advantage for each level wouldnt keep everyone on a even playing field. That is one of the great parts of this game.

If it concerns you that much do what the rest of us do. Have a level 10 and a level 5 full pearl.lol:D

You are SUPPOSED to be better if you are higher leveled so i dont see what the problem in giving bonus to being higher leveled. In this game, you just doesnt get the advantage in having the higher level in pvp. Check WoW and the other games. Tell me if levels matters there.

Sure, equipment matters but levels should play a part as well. If you dont get much advantage, why bother leveling and losing the only other advantage in pvp - The newbie protection.

I believe giving level bonuses would help because an experienced pirate should do better than an inexperienced one. Also, like i said earlier, go try other games. Even if you have the best stuff, when you are seriously outleveled, your equipment wouldnt matter. You'll just get pounded. I believe rewards should be given for leveling in the game and this is probably the only way you can do it.

Of course, i know i can have 2 accounts like you said but im a non-pearl buyer and its gonna take me at least 2-3 months to even get a full pearl account. Its not gonna be easy getting 2 full pearl account.

[jennifer†adrienne™]

Here is a few of the thousands of videos to show some of the things about this game.
pictures of different ships
http://en.board.bigpoint.com/seafight/showthread.php?p=17119#post17119
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9fCwJMBSEw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpetLkMP55k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQjKC5aJqtw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UFXfiA66-I
It will be interesting to see how your opinion will grow as you play longer. You seem to have allot of opinion's for playing only a week. Having such an interest in this game is really cool.

I would like to say my two cents here...
The ability of a player to make it to level 10 can for some be a challenge in itself. Some players wish to do all the levels on their own - i think this is respectable. Being in a guild and being level 10 is respectable too. And peaceeees point about having the ability to go where your enemy is - is in fact the main reason to be level 10 -- and soon level 13!! You are at a disadvantage if your enemy has more options than you do. If my enemy has more options it puts me at a disadvantage.... which means i have less control then them and the situation... not okay in my book:rolleyes:

A ship that is higher level color has no advantages --but does imply that the player has more experience since it does take time and lots of throwing of the ping pong balls (elite cannon balls) to have access to these other colored ships.

The higher up your able to go the more options you have for yourself. the ability to keep your crew feed and equipped does require gold that is much faster to get in the upper maps with the larger NPC's. But you need it more in the upper maps because the players up there are more likely to cap you and take your gold and kill off your pirates so you need to replenish your crew and supplies.

The upper maps are not any less dangerous then the lower maps. the NPC's in the upper maps attack you whether you shoot them or not. and they will gang up on you. A few of the upper map NPC's also give you pearls.... something that can be used to purchase necessities for your ship -- elite crew, cannons, elite balls, powder monkeys ....

I am not sure if you play in American or global... but in global we have millions of people that play this game... and 80% are non Americans.. the majority that play are germans... So there is many different levels within this game that you may not have realized yet. the Diplomatic relations that take place really put a new twist to the game. since they are the ones who have set the standards , understanding how they play is a key that you will need to learn if you are to survive. They are very disciplined and organized about how they play. There are NAP lists and war lists. If you or your guild/alliance is on many war lists you will find it hard to stay afloat unless you are in a well established guild/alliance that has a firm foundation.

There are war guilds, and there are fishermen guilds. But theres also some that do a little bit of both. Their are options and choices. They all should be respected.
But it is a game , and the point is to have fun.


If you are playing in American maps then i suggest you give yourself more of a challenge and move to global ;) Things get pretty crazy here... crazy fun though, lol:D

Players that stay below level 6 to keep their newbie invincibility are considered poor players... it is commonly refereed to as wearing their diapers. heheheheh. The fun about being in upper maps is that you can 'chain sink' the enemy and really show your pirate side. You can stomp them and keep them sunk.... until of course they give up!!! Waring with a noob is no fun, you sink them once and then thats that.. they can hide like a baby behind their noobie.

Even a full elite ship has to have pearl balls and elite powder monkeys to be at their best... and some of us do have to wait until a Happy hour to get more pearls.. so a 1/2 pearl can win a full pearl.

the majority of people in the upper maps play with their guild and alliance members so it is rarely a 1 on 1 situation... so it comes down to a team vs. another team. so strategy and technique becomes the point or issue in the game. working as a team and following directions can very well be what decides who will win that battle.

you will see that in this game there are 'seasons' or waves or flows.. just go with it. There are times when you will fight or have lots of battles, then there are times when you can't find an enemy. There will be days you get sunk allll day long,, then days when you do all the sinking. There are times when there is some kind of drama - some involving you or times when it revolves around someone else. but drama seems to be another aspect of this game.

Gaining experience is a part of the game that at some point you do. the ranking system for individual players goes by experience points. the guild ranking goes by experience points. you get 20 experience points for sinking a player... but you can get thousands of experience points for some of the upper level NPC's.

getting gold is essential for yourself to keep your ship up, or to bid on elite items in the baazzaarr... but sometimes when you are involved in your guild you also wish to keep gold on your ship so that you are contributing to the guild tax... I do this, as some of my members do, so that we can have gold in our guild bank to help the new players bid for their elite ship and crew in the bazzarr... Most guilds would like to help like this so that the player will save their money for premium and so they can get elite cannons and keep their elite pearl balls stocked up. Guilds like to help their members advance in their testing and so they like to have the ability to send players gold if they do not have it on their ship at that time the required amount to start the test. allot of guild refund the application fees too. And gold does not grow on tress - someone has to make it.;)

So you do benefit by being in upper maps if you wish to contribute to your team - not only in gold but in fighting the enemies and doing battles. And you benefit yourself by having access to getting more experience points from the NPC's and getting pearls from the NPC's.

i have a korsar ship that has taken down an elite... whether i do it while it is shooting another ship or i buy new korsar while in the middle of battle -- or whether i just get sunk and go after him for a few hours getting a few shots in before he sinks me until finally i get him sunk .....


most of the ships in upper maps are elite ships. most of the players get elite ships right away. in our guild we bid for our players with guild gold when they are ready to take level 6 test ... if they haven't already gotten one.. And this usually will be in their 2nd week of game play... I expect our members to level up fast so they can have more options. and all our guilds are only as strong as our weakest members. So all the stuff you are saying about restricting ships or making new kinds of ships doesn't make all that much sense to me. this is not a player verses computer game,, it is you and whatever guild you are in against the bad guys ( your war list) several Tortuga ships or whatever gold ships can easily take on a full pearl elitee.... You can have a guild full of korsar ships and they can crush an elite ship.

it does make allot of sense to have noobie be removed at level6 - you cannot do your level 5 test without having 100 cannons... basically an elite 1. Every test can not be taken without certain requirements - including experience points. And the point of all the quests and tests is to have you experience and learn things to make you a better player. new gold ships do become available the higher up you go. And most guild ( I know mine does) have a policy that if you are an elite you are not to shot non-elites unless in a combat situation... So we are not a bully guild.

joining a guild would be good for you... support the guilds that are knowledgeable and experienced and enhance your game play. do not support guilds that are new and set the par low... it creates a poor playing experience and is a waste of all of our time. If you are going to do something do it right or don't do it at all. lol

I find that there are very large amounts of fighting in the upper maps , so your comment on the upper maps being quiet -- i am thinking you play American server?:cool: ether that or you aren't looking very well. I know the maps my enemies hang out in, and if i feel like a battle I just float their way. lol.

So i am also guessing that you have never been caped for 3 million gold.. or done it to someone elce... you cannot find a low level player with that much gold on it... and i dought many low level players would say they have sunk a player who had that much... the more you play and the higher level you are you learn how to win - you know what distance you need to be in order to find that sweet spot where you have the advantage.. the more you play you learn your enemies strategies and know that they are corner map changing and you go around the other way and meet them when they come through the map and you know that they are laughing their butts off after a brief moment of swearing at you. In the upper maps you can get your group together and stack search a map or stack Battle and you can see the yellow trail in the water from when they try and run away. The more you play the better you are at recognizing who your enemy tags are so you get that first shot off and get the sink. Or recognize a NAP'd guild and help them out - thus making a good reputation for yourself.

the thing about not getting two ships... if you think about it , if you are playing 2 ships , what ever kind they are, you will have twice as many cannon balls hitting your enemy at one time.. and if you are not putting money into the game you still could do some damage with regular balls. It does take skill to run more then one ship at a time ... in most cases it is harder to do this... but it is just another option and challenge in playing this game :p


wow i am rambling on - but my sea fight is closed and i came across this post.. lool:o
have fun!!!
xoxox Jenni

[CM-peace*keeper**]

Okay here we go. Like Jenn said it is nice to see that you have a pretty high interest in the game. I still do however find it funny that after a week you have it all figured out. Well at least you think you do.

If you are talking about a 1 v.s. 1 battle then yes you are right lvl doesnt matter unless.....lets say I sink and cap you. During the battle you managed to get my ID ( do you know how to do this? If not I can tell you) and you want to get you pirates revenge. I can pop up to lvl 6 or higher and you cant do anything about it. It is a bummer when the player you really want to sink in sitting a map change away and you cant go there.

You are only looking at it from a your point of view and I dont think many players only kill monsters. Some do mainly shoot NPC's for EP. Just like some players take pride in sinks and sink records others take pride in EP. Like Jenn said it is a part of this game to earn a higher ep level or help your guild with the rankings. Maybe not to you but your original question was " why level up " and these are some of the reasons.


" sooner or later their protection will be gone and they'll be sunk by you so it doesnt matter. "

Yeah if you want to wait around for an hour.

" As for fighting in a level 5 map, most of the fights are fought at level 2 or 3. Its very quiet at the higher level map and the chances of what you said happening is probably very small. "

I used to think this was true as well. I also play the global server so it might be different where you play. While alot of wars are fought on some lower levels you can always find action on the higher maps. Especially if you are a war guild or war alliance.



" Who the hell will call you a noob when you are practically sinking everyone you see? You cant even see their levels so people usually go by the damage dealt to determine if you are a noob or not and having a higher level pirate doesnt help in anyway. "

Damage has nothing to do with noob status. A full pearl is a full pearl. I played on the american server lst night while global was down. I have a weak lvl 2 elite with 5 p cannons. I sank elites hitting harder than me with experience. You may laugh but my EXPERIENCE was the difference. That and they were noobs in elites.

" why bother leveling and losing the only other advantage in pvp - The newbie protection. "

Already answered above

" I believe giving level bonuses would help because an experienced pirate should do better than an inexperienced one. Also, like i said earlier, go try other games. Even if you have the best stuff, when you are seriously outleveled, your equipment wouldnt matter. You'll just get pounded. I believe rewards should be given for leveling in the game and this is probably the only way you can do it. "

If we are talking level of ships I understand where you are coming from . The problem is it takes alot of time to get to the next levels of ships. I have a level 7 ship and to get to level 8 I have to fire 3703200 pearls rounds. Now I shoot alot and play alot but it takes a long time to shoot that may rounds. So in your theroy I should be 10% weaker for the time it takes to shoot those rounds. You being a non pearl buyer how much shiney hunting and bids would you need to win to get enough pearl rounds to level up.

If you are still talking about levels of maps I cant make you understand. Its like trying to teach a pig to sing. It will never work and only pisses off the pig.:D

[xftlxtorchboi]

In lvl 7 you get pearls for sinking some ships.

[jennifer†adrienne™]

In lvl 7 you get pearls for sinking some ships.

yes shoot one of the flying dutch, they are the black ships :p
some of your quest will give you pearls and the other maps you will soon go into will have more NPC's that give you pearls;)

Congrats on getting to pirate level 7:D
Good Luck
Have Fun
xoxoxoxo Jenni

[icemanbobby]

peace*keeper** i cannot belive a level 2 eliet ship with 5 pearl cannons can ever beat a full pearl ships unless you just hitting them after fights and what stratagy is there if its 1 vs 2 its ovious same with 2v2 and even 20v20
and the only reward for lving up now are quests give more ep and money + lv7 pearl drops

[CM-peace*keeper**]

peace*keeper** i cannot belive a level 2 eliet ship with 5 pearl cannons can ever beat a full pearl ships unless you just hitting them after fights and what stratagy is there if its 1 vs 2 its ovious same with 2v2 and even 20v20
and the only reward for lving up now are quests give more ep and money + lv7 pearl drops


Well it happens. Here I can tell you a couple easy things that make this possible. One is map changes. If you stay ahead of the other player in a map change you can just keep changing back and fourth and getting a couple shots off while you opponent is trying to get through and click on you to start his/her attack.
Second is a classic mistake that I think we all make for awhile. When you attack a ship do you sail right up beside it? Alot of times if you just barely get in range people will not notice your attack until after a few shots. Then when they do notice you can start to move and use the map changes again.
I'm not saying if a full pearl and a 5 pcannon elite boat meet up that the lesser has much of a chance but a good captain can do some real damage against a full pearl noob.