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Face facts it's just like that.
You can barely see some mages 30+
Knights everywhere only, mage don't have any power in the game no matter what. Kninght got way more hitpoints, knight take way more damage to the enemy no matter what even if knight is lvl 27 and mage lvl 33 mage still make weaker hits. Now knight even have more powerfull spells like stunt the enemy from far away when mage must make 2 actions to do this. If you ask me mage should have way more powerfull spells on monsters cause he can't solo them like knight do. Mage should do far more damage then knight come on it's obvious... Knight got big hp when mage is weak in it. Mage should be good at something but knight is better in everything from a mage that's really not fair. Just look on the servers tell me how many high mages you see... Don't tell me that you can't see it -.- but you prabobly will because you play knight, will play paladin or whatever next classes will be.
Change it!
-=Astaroth=-
14.09.2011, 02:42
Do not flood the boards with the same post. They have all been removed but this one.
-EVENT-HORIZON-3
14.09.2011, 09:59
Are you insane!!!!
A spell weaver will destroy any DK if the player is skilled, i have a lv 39 SW and i have been killing level 40 DKs ever since i was lv 26, sometimes 2 at a time, how any spellweaver player can say they are underpowered is insane
mar_tin1
14.09.2011, 12:20
I think in PvE mages are really weaker. I'm at lvl30 currently I don't know how DK's manages in Slifmoore, but I still die in a couple seconds if I'm not move around (enemies 8 level lower than me). And we have no chance against bosses like Khaly. Not even in a party, if I'm just hit once then I'm dead.
spartaque
14.09.2011, 18:21
I still die in a couple seconds if I'm not move around (enemies 8 level lower than me). And we have no chance against bosses like Khaly. Not even in a party, if I'm just hit once then I'm dead.
mages roll in that style, they must be weak whit strong dps and not tanks
Ofcourse mages should have low hp but should have also deadly spells not weak as here!!! Come on people.... Give me a break Im sure those people who say that bull don't even have mage and just lie. Mages are too weak everyone will say that everyone who have one but there are no many people like that. There are almost only dragonknights everywhere, so mages we must stand for our own!!!
Just tell me one basic most important thing... Just one... If ur so smart and you say how mages roll, what they shall do, how do they act just tell me one little thing...
Why dragonknights hit and take greater damage to enemy monsters with their swords than mage with his spells...? Just tell me that... And you state that its normal? You got to be kidding me it's ridiculous... Knights should be blockers with high amount of hp not to kill and mages should have deadly spells. When now there's only dragonknights the best in everything.
Spellweavers can't even do their quests solo for their lvl.
Correct me if Im wrong about all that.
Oh wait Im not wrong. -.-
There are only two options:
or knights are overpowered,
or spellweavers are too weak
do something with it, period.
The basic idea behind a spell caster is not to get hit or be in melee range for any period of time, but the spells shouldn't be so powerful that a Spellweaver has no reason to move other than to find more monsters to kill.
I find the Spellweaver more versatile.
The Dragonknight can make more mistakes.
-EVENT-HORIZON-3
15.09.2011, 10:45
Just tell me one basic most important thing... Just one... If ur so smart and you say how mages roll, what they shall do, how do they act just tell me one little thing...
Why dragonknights hit and take greater damage to enemy monsters with their swords than mage with his spells...? Just tell me that... And you state that its normal? You got to be kidding me it's ridiculous... Knights should be blockers with high amount of hp not to kill and mages should have deadly spells. When now there's only dragonknights the best in everything.
Spellweavers can't even do their quests solo for their lvl.
Correct me if Im wrong about all that.
Oh wait Im not wrong. -.-
There are only two options:
or knights are overpowered,
or spellweavers are too weak
do something with it, period.
CONSIDER YOUR SELF CORRECTED
weak lol, try playing and not winging
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-EVENT-HORIZON-3 your spellware is full with gems... all my items is pink 31+
We go with SpealWeavers too, but If you ask me personally I much prefer 5 DKs in a group. Blood Scream then 10x Mighty Swing make the highest possible damage in a short time. Plus when Herold retargets to Spellweaver he has small chances to survive.
With 5xDK is around 20% cheaper on essences and 5 minutes faster than with 4+1. That have to be changed because SWs are totally useless at Boss fighting and make only higher costs of expedition. It may hurt but it is true :|
- Less DKs, higher dmg per each person, more deaths.
- You must chase him when he retargets to SWs, thats make the fight longer.
- SWs make smaller dmg, higher essences usage then.
personally the post: http://en.board.bigpoint.com/drasaonline/showthread.php?p=2177323#post2177323
movie of video and there is only dragonknights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrlEdz7UFro
everyone just calm down. now listen: spellwares are WEAK and they need patch.
are any moder/admin reading this? no one cares it. only one think to do is to start with dragonwarriors or just remove this game.
spartaque
16.09.2011, 15:44
sure they read it allready now we must wait
Are you insane!!!!
A spell weaver will destroy any DK if the player is skilled, i have a lv 39 SW and i have been killing level 40 DKs ever since i was lv 26, sometimes 2 at a time, how any spellweaver player can say they are underpowered is insane
TRUE
my friend freakman is same lvl as i, demolishes me if i dont move around:mad:
their defense could be raised however, there really squishy :D
Laughing_Man
16.09.2011, 20:23
Historically, RPG melee classes tend to be easier to learn and use. Less thinking, less skills.
At the same point, caster/magic classes are always more finnicky, squishier, and take more effort to master. The two classes always have the same level of potential in them... just the melee are easier/quicker to get "good" at.
Spellweavers are not terribly under-powered, you just require a little more game-savy experience to know how to utilize and maximize the potential. Perhaps you should start over as a DK? You might not have what it takes to run as a SW...*removed insulting comments*
Historically, RPG melee classes tend to be easier to learn and use. Less thinking, less skills.
At the same point, caster/magic classes are always more finnicky, squishier, and take more effort to master. The two classes always have the same level of potential in them... just the melee are easier/quicker to get "good" at.
Spellweavers are not terribly under-powered, you just require a little more game-savy experience to know how to utilize and maximize the potential. Perhaps you should start over as a DK? You might not have what it takes to run as a SW...*removed insulting comments*
man, your logic is terribly under-powered. spellwares are weak.
btw, watch this, DUDE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Euafh22E-Hs
yes, dragonknights can solo Herold. Historically, mages never were so weak.
now, after you watched this. make video where you with your pro elite and top experienced friends (spellwares) TOGETHER can kill this monster. ADD INTO THE GROUP 4 SPELLWARES TO KILL THIS.
give you recommendations: be faster, quicker use your pro elite experience effort to be a master and use all potential to kill this monster. after it put your video here. thanks :)
also find any 40 level dragonknights and try to kill it. just try to damage them. i don't wont that they nerfed dragonknights. no if they nerf it they will be very bad. because i have played with dragonknights and i know their weak sides too.
HOW TO SOLVE THIS:
i'm thinking that spellwares for sure need like 20% more damage and also they need new type of magic. like spellwamp, invisibility, mana shield, GHOST MODE(yeah lol) or something wich gaves them more survivable abilaty. it's way many think to solve this unbalance. game creators must find out what to do.
ross2025
19.09.2011, 00:10
Simple solution: add a magic shield spell that lasts x amount of time or x amount of damage which ever comes first
spartaque
19.09.2011, 01:22
theres just few skills for the both classes
you cant make your own skill tree wich leads to same skill tree ot every SW/DK
must be added atlleast few more skills for both classes
if a DK can solo Herold and Khaly, SW must solo them too, if they cant then BigPoint cant balance the classes.
I don't believe Herold or Khaly should be soloable by same level Dragon Knights or Spellweavers.
spartaque
19.09.2011, 21:04
I don't believe Herold or Khaly should be soloable by same level Dragon Knights or Spellweavers.
thats other topic
if Herold is level 40 boss he must be waty too powerfull for a solo guy on the same level, else thats not a boss
KrakenEX1
05.10.2011, 08:13
Obviously this guy is doing something wrong cause at lvl. 11 I was able to solo cata. and only die once as a SW I'll admit I went through pots like a mad man but I still kicked some necro butts. I only pvp'd once against a DK and I come out of that experience victorious.
Face facts it's just like that.
You can barely see some mages 30+
Knights everywhere only, mage don't have any power in the game no matter what. Kninght got way more hitpoints, knight take way more damage to the enemy no matter what even if knight is lvl 27 and mage lvl 33 mage still make weaker hits. Now knight even have more powerfull spells like stunt the enemy from far away when mage must make 2 actions to do this. If you ask me mage should have way more powerfull spells on monsters cause he can't solo them like knight do. Mage should do far more damage then knight come on it's obvious... Knight got big hp when mage is weak in it. Mage should be good at something but knight is better in everything from a mage that's really not fair. Just look on the servers tell me how many high mages you see... Don't tell me that you can't see it -.- but you prabobly will because you play knight, will play paladin or whatever next classes will be.
Change it!
Wow then you either must suck or dont have any good items at all. On Agathon server there are mainly DK but who runs the PVP? A SW LVL 28 is #1 on PVP rankings and hes crazy, lucky and KSing alot in the arena, he has over 70K honor last time i checked. Im ranked 5, and i have only 18K honor, shows how much of a beast he is >.>. Yes SW have harder times in places like silfmor, but if u know how to use a SW to its fullest extent and be patient, you can take down monsters 10lvls above you.
KrakenEX1
06.10.2011, 07:39
Wow then you either must suck or dont have any good items at all. On Agathon server there are mainly DK but who runs the PVP? A SW LVL 28 is #1 on PVP rankings and hes crazy, lucky and KSing alot in the arena, he has over 70K honor last time i checked. Im ranked 5, and i have only 18K honor, shows how much of a beast he is >.>. Yes SW have harder times in places like silfmor, but if u know how to use a SW to its fullest extent and be patient, you can take down monsters 10lvls above you.
Hit that nail on the head.
Hargeneth
06.10.2011, 18:44
Wow then you either must suck or dont have any good items at all. On Agathon server there are mainly DK but who runs the PVP? A SW LVL 28 is #1 on PVP rankings and hes crazy, lucky and KSing alot in the arena, he has over 70K honor last time i checked. Im ranked 5, and i have only 18K honor, shows how much of a beast he is >.>. Yes SW have harder times in places like silfmor, but if u know how to use a SW to its fullest extent and be patient, you can take down monsters 10lvls above you.
Why settle for patient when you can rush through it as a DK? :) By the time you kill 1 mob 10 levels higher i will have killed a small army of equal level mobs. Whats your point?
People are complaining because of how SWer feel PvE wise and all everybody does is quoting pvp. Yes pvp wise they are OPed and need adjustment. No that lvl 28 being #1 isnt a beast. Getting the kill counted for you even if another person did 99% of the damage has nothing to do with having 'skills' or being 'good' at pvp, it is abusing a broken system.
Why settle for patient when you can rush through it as a DK? :) By the time you kill 1 mob 10 levels higher i will have killed a small army of equal level mobs. Whats your point?
People are complaining because of how SWer feel PvE wise and all everybody does is quoting pvp. Yes pvp wise they are OPed and need adjustment. No that lvl 28 being #1 isnt a beast. Getting the kill counted for you even if another person did 99% of the damage has nothing to do with having 'skills' or being 'good' at pvp, it is abusing a broken system.
-____- What i meant was be patient as you take them down little by little, my SW acc took a while to take down the lvl 30 boss in Liars lair with just meteors. SW can take anything down man, if ur such in a hurry maybe you should stick to being a DK and kill monsters a few lvls lower then you since you cant handle the challenge :p
Yes the systetm is broken, but how can you say that theres no such thing as skill??. Right now im rank #2 and im lvl 28. I was paired up with a guy who NEVER appeared in the match against 2 DK lvl 26 and 1 SW lvl 24....I still took em on, it was hard but I ended up winning, thats watcha called skill xD
-____- What i meant was be patient as you take them down little by little, my SW acc took a while to take down the lvl 30 boss in Liars lair with just meteors. SW can take anything down man, if ur such in a hurry maybe you should stick to being a DK and kill monsters a few lvls lower then you since you cant handle the challenge :p
Yes the systetm is broken, but how can you say that theres no such thing as skill??. Right now im rank #2 and im lvl 28. I was paired up with a guy who NEVER appeared in the match against 2 DK lvl 26 and 1 SW lvl 24....I still took em on, it was hard but I ended up winning, thats watcha called skill xD
i'm pretty sure that author of this post have left from the game...
the game have been changed. you are answering posts which was writed with the old patchs' situation... this is very wrong from your side man.
old dragonknights(DK) with hp potions were very strong and never had problems to solo any type of monsters or dungeons... because of none potions maybe sw becamed stronger. sw can kill any type of slow monster less then within one age, hehe... everyone know it.
right now maybe even DK needs patch to get stronger. i don't know and don't care.
hell knows it, even developers can't balance the game so many stupid thinks were done.. but now the game is very badly balanced. if you pay to buy andermant it makes you very strong while people who wants to play for free would be very weak... it's like people which pay is 15 times stronger then non paid players and i really don't like this. hope the next patch will change it... but also don't forget that
the developers are making so aggressive changes (without asking as our mind) in the game that i won't be wonder if after the next patch characters will change the gender... it will be so cool yea!..XD wanna vote for it? -__-""
I'm completely missing the point here. Oh wait there ain't a point. The Person who claims that spellweavers are WEAK should go get his head checked. WEAK.....the entire purpose of a ranged DPS'er is NOT to get hits and spam spells. So people who claim that meteor is weak in PvM is retarded. The person who claims Ice Nove is weak PvP is ALSO retarded Since on level 34 you can go kill level 39-40 monsters with 6 at a time or more, I can't really see why a spellweaver is weak. PVP he's a freakin' BEAST! And PvM is just one big farm party even vs. monster 3+ levels above ur own level.
Ok what your proposing here is to make Spellweavers just like WOW mages where people sometimes wonder why there are melees and ranges if mages can tank and DPS PVP/PVE. :p
You must be joking. Mage own PvP, and you want overpower it. Ice, blast, knight dont have 3/4 of hp. Teleportation, and other fancy way to run away and benny hill all the time on arena.
snoopybiggs
26.11.2011, 01:11
Face facts it's just like that.
You can barely see some mages 30+
Knights everywhere only, mage don't have any power in the game no matter what. Kninght got way more hitpoints, knight take way more damage to the enemy no matter what even if knight is lvl 27 and mage lvl 33 mage still make weaker hits. Now knight even have more powerfull spells like stunt the enemy from far away when mage must make 2 actions to do this. If you ask me mage should have way more powerfull spells on monsters cause he can't solo them like knight do. Mage should do far more damage then knight come on it's obvious... Knight got big hp when mage is weak in it. Mage should be good at something but knight is better in everything from a mage that's really not fair. Just look on the servers tell me how many high mages you see... Don't tell me that you can't see it -.- but you prabobly will because you play knight, will play paladin or whatever next classes will be.
Change it!
bjgyhadfgdfhjwert$%Q I just rolled my face on my keyboard and made more of an impact on the spellweaver community. Stop posting please.
-Amethyst-1
04.12.2011, 23:15
It seems that the Knights take a lot more damage from enemies in the wild then the SW...
gamunity
05.12.2011, 12:18
You all act like us tanks have such an easy life (okay i do now that i'm 40, but that's beside the point).
We are the ones who have to put our ass on the line by getting in the middle of the fight while you spellweavers can stay at a distance and teleport away if necessary.
Khalys is an excellent example of this: One lag in the connection and i'm a goner while the spellweaver can remain safely on the circle in the floor. But i also remember spellweavers going alone into Tegan and being able to kill everything with smart teleporting and so on while i got killed or had to run away when archer/nosferatu guys where too abundant. Spellweavers had a huge advantage in XP gaining there!
Also i think you spellweavers underestimate the difficulty a dragonknight often faces when building up rage. Sure, when we have rage, we can go about like crazy men but untill that time we can be quite vulnerable and sometimes even stuck with no chance of coming out alive.
So quit sobbing and get spelling! And remember that we are strongest together in a nice mixed group!
remember that we are strongest together in a nice mixed group!
Exactly, that's the idea!
-Amethyst-1
05.12.2011, 23:55
Exactly, that's the idea!
But what if you have to go solo? It's not so easy and it ain't fun...
But what if you have to go solo? It's not so easy and it ain't fun...
This is a massively multiplayer online role-playing game, you can go solo on lower level maps and grind adermant, essence and crystals of truth for hours, but the idea behind this kind of game is to find a nice group of players around your level and finish quests / kill bosses together using teamwork!
If you want to play alone all the time maybe this is not the game for you...
gamunity
06.12.2011, 09:00
But what if you have to go solo? It's not so easy and it ain't fun...
Indeed as mentioned: try to go in groups (of equal levels) but if you can't do this, do other stuff untill you level up and try the quest again! It will be much easier!
And furthermore: would the game be nicer if it was easier? Or would it suck more? Would a walk-through make you happy? No, it should be a challenge! I'm 40 now and can't find a real challenge anywhere... Is that what you want?
-Amethyst-1
06.12.2011, 23:22
This is a massively multiplayer online role-playing game, you can go solo on lower level maps and grind adermant, essence and crystals of truth for hours, but the idea behind this kind of game is to find a nice group of players around your level and finish quests / kill bosses together using teamwork!
If you want to play alone all the time maybe this is not the game for you...
I never played these kinds of games before. I wasn't used to it now and I'm still not used to it but I will get the hang of it by forming groups and tactics.
Indeed as mentioned: try to go in groups (of equal levels) but if you can't do this, do other stuff untill you level up and try the quest again! It will be much easier!
And furthermore: would the game be nicer if it was easier? Or would it suck more? Would a walk-through make you happy? No, it should be a challenge! I'm 40 now and can't find a real challenge anywhere... Is that what you want?
I understand that. Thanks.
the way i look at it, from my experience in Diablo 2 and similar RPG games, mage classes are not necessarily known for their damage output to individual creep, but the AOE effect and ranged capabilities makes them very versatile, and have greater over-all damage output.
muthsmoke
20.02.2012, 13:06
Mages and DK go together very well, we have a group of five good buds goin through, 2 sw 2 dk 1 ranger, all I can say is I am the beast so far as the SW, I could blow my buds up without them ever touching me, So far at lvl 27 SW is the better of the two overall, pvp and pve, yeah dk can take more, but they don't dish it out fast enough, a skilled player can own this game as a SW.
Very true 13yanh, its about taking down the whole mob, not just one person, but in this game the Spellweaver can dish out insane 1v1 damage as well, I'de say SW has edge but all classes are very close
LoveGambler
20.02.2012, 15:12
insane guy..
mage very very powerful now.. i think that dragonknight become more strong..ok?
buffing the SW is not the way to subsidize your lack of game skills. The whole idea of a SW is to not get hit. in order to not get hit you have to move around. if you wanted to play a class that just stands there and spams spells while absorbing blows then it seems pretty obvious to me that you shouldnt pick SW. I can only draw two conclusions from this post: either your very new to fantasy rpg's and dont understand the basics of any of the classes, or your just trolling. either way this topic is not needed. if you in-fact are not trolling and are just ignorant, go read up on the help for newbies forum.
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Buckett -
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Wow muthsmoke's second post was deleted quite promtly...
Anyways Dward, I agree, my post could have been worded a little better, but i don't believe it was any more harmfull than some of the other posts in this thread.
I understand you may be trying to make an example of me, but i feel like that, in itself could be considered a personal attack on me. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I would rather you have brought this situation to my attention in a more personal form such private message or e-mail if possible.
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Thank you.
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Break over kids, back to the thread's topic.
Ubermann
24.02.2012, 21:52
Ofcourse mages should have low hp but should have also deadly spells not weak as here!!! Come on people.... Give me a break Im sure those people who say that bull don't even have mage and just lie. Mages are too weak everyone will say that everyone who have one but there are no many people like that. There are almost only dragonknights everywhere, so mages we must stand for our own!!!
Can DK's kill 15 mobs with one or two hits?
SWs can.
Also, 75% of my PvP kills are DKs.
They cannot touch me at all, and when they do so, they are almost death.
-Blueberry-
24.02.2012, 22:23
Can DK's kill 15 mobs with one or two hits?
SWs can.
Also, 75% of my PvP kills are DKs.
They cannot touch me at all, and when they do so, they are almost death.
0% of my pvp kills are DK's, they are unkillable at lvl 40.
But to balance it off, I can run away a lot, until they catch me. :)
tast3urblo0d
29.02.2012, 12:21
i can win vs a dk anyday i have done 1.5k crit dmg on a lvl24 dk and i was lvl16 1 hit k0 no chance at all
i can win vs a dk anyday i have done 1.5k crit dmg on a lvl24 dk and i was lvl16 1 hit k0 no chance at all
That's impossible unless you were using 300% essence+good gear... i think pay2win players shouldn't be allowed to post in threads like this -__-
sboisselle
03.03.2012, 14:40
Each class has is strong point guys. For SW pvp our power play gets balanced back out in the upper tiers. From the time you get lightning strike to lvl 30 you will be a force unlike others so long as you're geared correctly and you dont need all the uber twink gear or essences. Non-cash RA's come to life typically in the 20's brackets and DK's dominate easiest in the 30+. Frankly as a SW we have more time to easily dominate pvp than others but you cant have it that way all the time. Add to this that mages do more damage overall in pvp than other classes thus typically earning more honor per battle and there is no way you can say that we are being treated unfairly or are underpowered for pvp.
As for PVE like others have mentioned we can kill a lot more stuff a lot faster than DK and we can solo a lot higher zones a lot earlier than DK. While both of these statements are true as a generalization , for individual players it will vary for numerous reasons. Skill of the player, gearing, proper use of skills/pulls and more.
For those players that still insist SW is so underpowered or weak my suggestion is to try one of the other classes because most likely SW just doesn't fit your playstyle even if you have played mages in other games. Every game is different and sometimes you have to step back and reevaluate your ability and not in comparison to other players because you have no clue what they have or how skilled they are.
As for the guy with 1.5k hits , i can tell ya right now you wont see that versus other cash players/twinks. My level 16 twink RA has 68% MR and takes about 420 damage on a direct impact crit hit (good luck landing that on him) from lightning strikes from cash mages in his tier using 300% essences. Comparing cash damage to non-cash players is the main reason why inexperienced players think the classes are unbalanced to begin with there's no need to muddle the confusion more.
muthsmoke
07.03.2012, 07:29
As long as you guys want to argue pay to play players, in the long run the SW with purple essence can destroy even the best geared DK. Now if you want to talk honest play, then your not having DK's with alot of Magic resist so it keeps the playing field fairly even. In any case both classes can dominate each other, depending on the player. DKs come into their own from 30 to 40. Once at 40 however, both classes are pretty balanced.
How bout the fact that as SW's our bread and butter is the frost nova with lighting strike immediatly after. Now it's important to note that the Frost Nova is a melee ranged spell, and DK's are a melee class. So basically we should be landing our FN LS combo on DK's 100% of the time which puts them at a great disadvantage considering they have to be in melee range to do any damage. In my pvp experiance, this advantage we have over the DK's makes them very easy to handle unless of-course we're talking about the pay-to-play guys that stack alot of resistances and health.
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