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i'm realy tired becouse of the weaknes of this noobweares. i'm level 35 and i can't fight alone, can't kill dragons, can't kill enemy without pain. i'm getting nervous becouse of this dissbalance. dragonwariors are killing enemys without pain and without movements they just clickint left click and it's done. when i should run, dodge attacks, and becouse i'm moving i'm attacking all the time different enemy(they are dodging each others attacks) so to kill one enemy it tooks too much time from me. OK WE GOT CRIT CHANCE BUT WHO? DRAGON WARRIORS HAVE 30%-50% BETTER DAMAGE WEAPONS + THEIRE MAGIC SKILLS DOES MORE DAMAGE. AND BOTH SKILL AND WEAPONS MAKING HIGH DAMAGE AGAINST ENEMY. i have almost ALMOST ALL PINK ITEMS AND MY ARMOR AND BLOCK VALUE % is 2 TIMES SMALL THEN AT THE SAME LEVEL HAVE DRAGON WARRIORS.
i have 1310 health at 35 level, while dragon warriors have about 3500 (3 times more?)
SO IT MEANS THAT THEY HAVE 6 TIMES MORE LIFE(LIFE*armor value) THEN I HAVE. while i should run as a kid and try to dodge all attacks+ waste my time(+ mostly i'm without mana :D) at this time while i'm running as a kid i'm looking how they have have free farm.
i took that spellware becouse wanted good damage but less health. and what i got? ranged weak stupid attack which no one need. 2-3 dragonwarior can go into the dungeon and clean it while spellwares can't do it and they will die and die. i'm not speaking about that essence. ok spellware can buy essence for meteor (this is only one good think they have), but without meteor they are full unplayeble. and after this andermant drop rate decrease i can't buy even essence for meteors. so what i have got? i have got weak and unplable class
I DON'T CARE ABOUT THIS RANGED ATTACK IT'S ONLY ONE THINK THAT SPELLWARE HAVE BUT THEY EVEN CAN'T USE IT OR OTHER RANGED ENEMYS WITHIN 3 SHUT WILL KILL YOU OR SOMEONE WILL SLOW YOU DOWN. OH USE TELEPORT? right i can use it? but new enemy will come wich will blocks your attacks from your mine target (like i'm trying to kill one enemy within 20 second and new enemy not gives me to finish that job) and after all of this i'm getting without mana and to kill one STUPID ENEMY I NEED HUGE TIME.
1) dragon wariors have 6 times better health (life*armor value).
we have x health they have 3x. we have x armor value, they have about 5x armor value (which makes theire % damage reducation 2 times better)
2) we have crit chance with about max 40% but they have better weapons with 1.3-1.5 more damage so with all of this they don't need crit TO DO BETTER DAMAGE AGAINS ENEMY.
3) DRAGONWARIORS CLASS HAVE STRONGER SKILLS while my lef click does only 0.8 of damage of the weapon theire left click does 1.0 damage of the weapon (+ DON'T FORGET THAT THEIRE WEAPONS ARE WITH 30% better so it means that thei are doing huge and higher damage then noobware can)
4) to use crit chance we should took that stupid books in the left hend WHICH MEANS THAT WEA ARE WEAK WITHOUT ARMOR AND CAN'T SURVIVE AND IT MAKES GAME MORE PAINFUL.
DOSE ANYONE NOTED THAT AFTER 30 LEVEL PEOPLE ARE STOPING PLAYING WITH SPELLWARE AND STARTING TO PLAY AGAIN WITH DRAGONWARIOR. and at level 35 you can't find spellwares there is only all the dragon warriors? why it happens? becouse you can't level up with spellwares, it's unplayable. spellwares are underpowered.
masterldl
11.09.2011, 03:19
ive noticed that..
from my point of view spellwares are better than dragonknight in pvp but yeah it's way more easy to xp with a dragonknight
elwindakos
13.09.2011, 08:50
i'm realy tired becouse of the weaknes of this noobweares. i'm level 35 and i can't fight alone, can't kill dragons, can't kill enemy without pain. i'm getting nervous becouse of this dissbalance. dragonwariors are killing enemys without pain and without movements they just clickint left click and it's done. when i should run, dodge attacks, and becouse i'm moving i'm attacking all the time different enemy(they are dodging each others attacks) so to kill one enemy it tooks too much time from me. OK WE GOT CRIT CHANCE BUT WHO? DRAGON WARRIORS HAVE 30%-50% BETTER DAMAGE WEAPONS + THEIRE MAGIC SKILLS DOES MORE DAMAGE. AND BOTH SKILL AND WEAPONS MAKING HIGH DAMAGE AGAINST ENEMY. i have almost ALMOST ALL PINK ITEMS AND MY ARMOR AND BLOCK VALUE % is 2 TIMES SMALL THEN AT THE SAME LEVEL HAVE DRAGON WARRIORS.
i have 1310 health at 35 level, while dragon warriors have about 3500 (3 times more?)
SO IT MEANS THAT THEY HAVE 6 TIMES MORE LIFE(LIFE*armor value) THEN I HAVE. while i should run as a kid and try to dodge all attacks+ waste my time(+ mostly i'm without mana :D) at this time while i'm running as a kid i'm looking how they have have free farm.
i took that spellware becouse wanted good damage but less health. and what i got? ranged weak stupid attack which no one need. 2-3 dragonwarior can go into the dungeon and clean it while spellwares can't do it and they will die and die. i'm not speaking about that essence. ok spellware can buy essence for meteor (this is only one good think they have), but without meteor they are full unplayeble. and after this andermant drop rate decrease i can't buy even essence for meteors. so what i have got? i have got weak and unplable class
I DON'T CARE ABOUT THIS RANGED ATTACK IT'S ONLY ONE THINK THAT SPELLWARE HAVE BUT THEY EVEN CAN'T USE IT OR OTHER RANGED ENEMYS WITHIN 3 SHUT WILL KILL YOU OR SOMEONE WILL SLOW YOU DOWN. OH USE TELEPORT? right i can use it? but new enemy will come wich will blocks your attacks from your mine target (like i'm trying to kill one enemy within 20 second and new enemy not gives me to finish that job) and after all of this i'm getting without mana and to kill one STUPID ENEMY I NEED HUGE TIME.
1) dragon wariors have 6 times better health (life*armor value).
we have x health they have 3x. we have x armor value, they have about 5x armor value (which makes theire % damage reducation 2 times better)
2) we have crit chance with about max 40% but they have better weapons with 1.3-1.5 more damage so with all of this they don't need crit TO DO BETTER DAMAGE AGAINS ENEMY.
3) DRAGONWARIORS CLASS HAVE STRONGER SKILLS while my lef click does only 0.8 of damage of the weapon theire left click does 1.0 damage of the weapon (+ DON'T FORGET THAT THEIRE WEAPONS ARE WITH 30% better so it means that thei are doing huge and higher damage then noobware can)
4) to use crit chance we should took that stupid books in the left hend WHICH MEANS THAT WEA ARE WEAK WITHOUT ARMOR AND CAN'T SURVIVE AND IT MAKES GAME MORE PAINFUL.
DOSE ANYONE NOTED THAT AFTER 30 LEVEL PEOPLE ARE STOPING PLAYING WITH SPELLWARE AND STARTING TO PLAY AGAIN WITH DRAGONWARIOR. and at level 35 you can't find spellwares there is only all the dragon warriors? why it happens? becouse you can't level up with spellwares, it's unplayable. spellwares are underpowered.
I wont even read this block of text,all i know is i am at lvl 27 atm and i own every warrior on my lvl(+4 lvls also above me).I would expect to see someone to say the opposite about our class,not what u arte saying.The only thing we need is to be not so attached with the essenses,so we can use our best skills more often
Edit:WALL OF TEXT COMING.took time to read only to find more incosistensies of what u are saying.
1:At my lvl,all i know is that the gameplay wont change,and what i find interesting is that u are saying that u get wrong targets because u are moving to avoid things.The thing is,that we have 2 aoes,which u will do in many enemys and dont require targeting.
2:Who cares about pure dmg on weapons?Have u seen the difference on the skills?
Lets say my nova spell does(theoriticaly,i cant currently log in to game to confirm this)210 dmg with a one handed staff of 24~30dmg and a book.two handed staff does 45~60 so my nova now has 240 dmg.Right?Hmmm no...Up your crtitical to find u can do 420 dmg.Can a warrior achieve some dmg like this with a weapon of ...lets say 60~90 dmg?answer is no.In the end,u do much dmg,and it is compancated bylow hp,which can be frustrating,yes.BUT!Warriors can't take many enemys at once as u do,and one shot kill them because of our high crit.
3.The reason for "lvl 30 leaving"Is on both sides,because game actually becomes more difficult from lvl 20 onwards,many people can't handle this.
4.As for pvp,Since now,i can kill enemy warriors without getting a hit or getting hit once at max.If u get them first,they are dead before they know it.If they get u first then u can escape,they cant
Spellwares are edited and it will stay that way.
Im sorry you feel that way, maybe if you learned how to play with them better, you would be more skilled spellweaver.
I wont even read this block of text,all i know is i am at lvl 27 atm and i own every warrior on my lvl(+4 lvls also above me).I would expect to see someone to say the opposite about our class,not what u arte saying.The only thing we need is to be not so attached with the essenses,so we can use our best skills more often
Edit:WALL OF TEXT COMING.took time to read only to find more incosistensies of what u are saying.
1:At my lvl,all i know is that the gameplay wont change,and what i find interesting is that u are saying that u get wrong targets because u are moving to avoid things.The thing is,that we have 2 aoes,which u will do in many enemys and dont require targeting.
2:Who cares about pure dmg on weapons?Have u seen the difference on the skills?
Lets say my nova spell does(theoriticaly,i cant currently log in to game to confirm this)210 dmg with a one handed staff of 24~30dmg and a book.two handed staff does 45~60 so my nova now has 240 dmg.Right?Hmmm no...Up your crtitical to find u can do 420 dmg.Can a warrior achieve some dmg like this with a weapon of ...lets say 60~90 dmg?answer is no.In the end,u do much dmg,and it is compancated bylow hp,which can be frustrating,yes.BUT!Warriors can't take many enemys at once as u do,and one shot kill them because of our high crit.
3.The reason for "lvl 30 leaving"Is on both sides,because game actually becomes more difficult from lvl 20 onwards,many people can't handle this.
4.As for pvp,Since now,i can kill enemy warriors without getting a hit or getting hit once at max.If u get them first,they are dead before they know it.If they get u first then u can escape,they cant
1) spellwares do aoe damage? what a lie... ok you are right spellwares have aoe damage but it's ONLY IF YOU USE ESSENCE. but very soon you will waste all your essence and what are you gonna to do after it? without essence spellwares are just weak. with essence they are stronger. but as i usualy have problems with essence so i really think that they need balance. it can't be continued like this. wich is better dragonwarrior or spellware with essence. ofcourse spellwares but belive essence is so hard to collect or buy with andermant that just forgot about that plus. magic blast isn't aoe. it has so small area affect that 90% of hits it damages singel target.
2)have you ever thinked that nova is with essence too? it's not usable for regular fights! ow basic nova? you mean nova without ice? man it's just a suicide! if you get close to the enemy and won't freez them you will easy die by enemy. level 32+ bots (dragons) have fire breath and one fire breath to spellware and it is losing about 85% of his life here for sure will come 2 arrow or magic blast with neferti mages and you are done ^^... i'm writing about that it's need a new balance after that patch... have lot's of andermant and essence? than it's good! you can use super attacks without collecting rage (i mean to use them instantly). but it's just a dream to have essence. after that patch wich decreased andermant and essence drop it really decreased the whole strong sides of spellwares :/ i have all pink items and still weak. teleport don't works always and even if it works like use nova jamp back then shot magic blast, run, dodge attacks, again shot, run... i'm just tired of it. and btw one or 2 arrow always will hit you as hard you won't try. within 1-2 houre i'm wasting all my essences and spellwares without essence is very weak. level 40 dragonknight can solo khalys and get for him items while spellwares can't. finally i almost forgot to wrote that dragonknights have speed up magic. they can fight with doubled speed after casting it so who cares about crits at pvp?
3) i don't understand what you wrote there.
4)! good dragonknight can just use his stuning skill(don't remember the name) and kill you fast. teleport won't help you belive because they also can run fast to catch you. you can run from them, but can't hide forever xD...
there always will be people wich would like spellwares how weak they weren't because it is their style(ranged attacks or teleport)... but it's fact that most players like 85% are prefer to play with dragonknights. it's more safe, more fan, easy and dragonknights are always welcome into the team even without essence.
Just tell me one basic most important thing... Just one... If ur so smart and you say how mages roll, what they shall do, how do they act just tell me one little thing...
Why dragonknights hit and take greater damage to enemy monsters with their swords than mage with his spells...? Just tell me that... And you state that its normal? You got to be kidding me it's ridiculous... Knights should be blockers with high amount of hp not to kill and mages should have deadly spells. When now there's only dragonknights the best in everything.
Correct me if Im wrong.
Oh wait Im not wrong. -.-
elwindakos
15.09.2011, 14:07
1) spellwares do aoe damage? what a lie... ok you are right spellwares have aoe damage but it's ONLY IF YOU USE ESSENCE. but very soon you will waste all your essence and what are you gonna to do after it? without essence spellwares are just weak. with essence they are stronger. but as i usualy have problems with essence so i really think that they need balance. it can't be continued like this. wich is better dragonwarrior or spellware with essence. ofcourse spellwares but belive essence is so hard to collect or buy with andermant that just forgot about that plus. magic blast isn't aoe. it has so small area affect that 90% of hits it damages singel target.
2)have you ever thinked that nova is with essence too? it's not usable for regular fights! ow basic nova? you mean nova without ice? man it's just a suicide! if you get close to the enemy and won't freez them you will easy die by enemy. level 32+ bots (dragons) have fire breath and one fire breath to spellware and it is losing about 85% of his life here for sure will come 2 arrow or magic blast with neferti mages and you are done ^^... i'm writing about that it's need a new balance after that patch... have lot's of andermant and essence? than it's good! you can use super attacks without collecting rage (i mean to use them instantly). but it's just a dream to have essence. after that patch wich decreased andermant and essence drop it really decreased the whole strong sides of spellwares :/ i have all pink items and still weak. teleport don't works always and even if it works like use nova jamp back then shot magic blast, run, dodge attacks, again shot, run... i'm just tired of it. and btw one or 2 arrow always will hit you as hard you won't try. within 1-2 houre i'm wasting all my essences and spellwares without essence is very weak. level 40 dragonknight can solo khalys and get for him items while spellwares can't. finally i almost forgot to wrote that dragonknights have speed up magic. they can fight with doubled speed after casting it so who cares about crits at pvp?
3) i don't understand what you wrote there.
4)! good dragonknight can just use his stuning skill(don't remember the name) and kill you fast. teleport won't help you belive because they also can run fast to catch you. you can run from them, but can't hide forever xD...
there always will be people wich would like spellwares how weak they weren't because it is their style(ranged attacks or teleport)... but it's fact that most players like 85% are prefer to play with dragonknights. it's more safe, more fan, easy and dragonknights are always welcome into the team even without essence.
Seems some of u have vision issues
point 1)ALL our essences skills are aoes,whatever u might say,or u are playing a different game.
I said" The only thing we need is to be not so attached with the essenses,so we can use our best skills more often"so ur point 1 is overruled.
2)Point 2 also ovveruled by point 1,which is self explanatory.Also,u forget to mention that to build up rage,u muiswt hit someone,that means taking dmg,that also means losing hp till u get there to actually do something.Can a warrior run circles around enemies while enemys die,like we do?No.They need,to actually lose half their hp before they can even activate their good one skills.Dont make me make a video in which i can kill30+ enemys on screen while not even getting hit once.
4)to be able to use the stun skill,he must hit u once.Good luck hitting u while u keep distance with teleport and magic freeze blast him.You dont know how to play with more than 2 buttons u say?Try learning and tell me how's ur class is weak
Seems some of u have vision issues
point 1)ALL our essences skills are aoes,whatever u might say,or u are playing a different game.
I said" The only thing we need is to be not so attached with the essenses,so we can use our best skills more often"so ur point 1 is overruled.
2)Point 2 also ovveruled by point 1,which is self explanatory.Also,u forget to mention that to build up rage,u muiswt hit someone,that means taking dmg,that also means losing hp till u get there to actually do something.Can a warrior run circles around enemies while enemys die,like we do?No.They need,to actually lose half their hp before they can even activate their good one skills.Dont make me make a video in which i can kill30+ enemys on screen while not even getting hit once.
4)to be able to use the stun skill,he must hit u once.Good luck hitting u while u keep distance with teleport and magic freeze blast him.You dont know how to play with more than 2 buttons u say?Try learning and tell me how's ur class is weak
It's all about killing monsters not pvp... So what you could kill dragonknight player with your spells when that player exp way more faster than spellweaver... It's all about exping the faster you exp the bigger level you have... I don't give a $%$# about killing players I just want exp normaly if Icant exp faster I just wish the amount of exp would be equal to dragonknight and I wish i could exp solo not in party...
Seems some of u have vision issues
point 1)ALL our essences skills are aoes,whatever u might say,or u are playing a different game.
I said" The only thing we need is to be not so attached with the essenses,so we can use our best skills more often"so ur point 1 is overruled.
2)Point 2 also ovveruled by point 1,which is self explanatory.Also,u forget to mention that to build up rage,u muiswt hit someone,that means taking dmg,that also means losing hp till u get there to actually do something.Can a warrior run circles around enemies while enemys die,like we do?No.They need,to actually lose half their hp before they can even activate their good one skills.Dont make me make a video in which i can kill30+ enemys on screen while not even getting hit once.
4)to be able to use the stun skill,he must hit u once.Good luck hitting u while u keep distance with teleport and magic freeze blast him.You dont know how to play with more than 2 buttons u say?Try learning and tell me how's ur class is weak
4) dragonknights have magic blood-curding scream wich makes rage cost 0 for their magics. (i never used it but it's how is wrote at the skill tree) or they just can use rage elexir so it's no need to hit you once as you said. where did i write that i can play only with 2 buttons? :D.
omg how can you wrote this? man were i wrote this?! you are so noob!! ok joking. you aren't a noob ))
ok man all have their mind. you like spellwares. and i'm playing with spellwares too. i get to level 39 and now it's too hard to start game again. i don't see here any people which agree me or disagree and to prove his/her posts wrote something interesting. i just found dragonknights to be more fun.
We go with SpealWeavers too, but If you ask me personally I much prefer 5 DKs in a group. Blood Scream then 10x Mighty Swing make the highest possible damage in a short time. Plus when Herold retargets to Spellweaver he has small chances to survive.
With 5xDK is around 20% cheaper on essences and 5 minutes faster than with 4+1. That have to be changed because SWs are totally useless at Boss fighting and make only higher costs of expedition. It may hurt but it is true :|
- Less DKs, higher dmg per each person, more deaths.
- You must chase him when he retargets to SWs, thats make the fight longer.
- SWs make smaller dmg, higher essences usage then.
personally the post: http://en.board.bigpoint.com/drasaonline/showthread.php?p=2177323#post2177323
movie of video and there is only dragonknights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrlEdz7UFro
everyone just calm down. now listen: spellwares are WEAK and they need patch.
are any moder/admin reading this? no one cares it. only one think to do is to start with dragonwarriors or just remove this game.
Luciferx78
28.09.2011, 05:54
Ok I had to step in and put my 2 cents in on this. Spellweavers are weak if they dont use essence. However if you bother to use those good spells and yes everyone is aoe exceapt for teleport.. LOL aoe telaport anyone? You can kill alot faster than a DK. Now I admite I do spend money to buy essence, but you can farm it if ya are really cheap.
On the pvp side spellweavers are hands down the winner. I took on 3 DK at once in a battle ground a bit ago, and won. Granted the final score was 5 to 4, but a win is a win. I killed them all at least once. Even against a higher lvl DK alot of times they stun, but before they can finsh you you just teleport away, run a bit than do you ice nova, meta combo maybe drop a few lightning before you teleport away again.
The only thing SW need is to have the power of their base spells brought up a bit, because kinda like the OP said they get you killed, though I did ust them alot up to lvl 20.
Short of it is, learn to start useing your essence, if your to cheap to buy it, and to lazy to go farm up full bars on low lvl mobs than stop QQing and go play DK.
All i can say is that with my level 30 spellweaver i am able to damage a lot or even kill ppl who are 5 levels or more above me. (warrior + spellweaver) So I can't really say that a spellweaver is weak.
Irestore
28.09.2011, 17:20
if you cant solo with a spell weaver you're probably doing it wrong. Sure we don't have the survivability of a dk and we cant tank mobs but we can kite and damage multiple mobs at once.
do you know the game style of a dk? while dk is killing enemy faster he is also taking damage to himself. but dk is so strong that it is killing enemy fast and after it, it's very easy to refill life by collecting orbs.
now about the sw's . sw can dodge attacks, run as a kid back and forward and so he will kill almost any enemy after a while or after one century ( if an enemy is strong,). not include khalys, herold and fast mobs...
sw always had and will have problem with any type of mobs rather they are similar of it's level or not and sw will die a way more than dk...
FOR REGULAR FIGHTS: against mobs which level are similar to dk, then he is the king.
also dk can solo khalys & herold. sw can't solo strongest boss' at the game: khalys or herold.
if you have noted, they have removed health potions. what does it mean? now any dk can play without gold waste. dk's have a free gold collection. while sw for minimum need inventory space for potions + they have to buy potions too. it's a lot of gold waste! for example to kill khalys 5 times at 40 level sw needs 70 or more mana potions where the average cost of it is 2-4 gold... with this case sw always will have problems with gold to upgrade her/his spells. dk even can collect amulets with that free inventory space and make a LOT OF GOLD.
dk can kill almost anything and anywere without gold waste.
i haven't tested sw for pvp (after the last patchs) bcz currently i'm not playing this game(and not going to play!).. but i do belive that sw needs essence for pvp. sw don't have aoe without essence(all aoe without essence is so usless just can't use).
but we can kite and damage multiple mobs at once.
sw's skills without essence is just bad.
you should know how boring is to collect essence within one two hour to waste them after it within 20 minut... it is making me and others very boring. +you always must choice: make essence ( to make essence you have to farm at low level mobs, else you can't collect it even within 6 hour) or xp to level up.... boring at max... -it's not my words, someone noted it :)
i'm realy tired becouse of the weaknes of this noobweares. i'm level 35 and i can't fight alone, can't kill dragons, can't kill enemy without pain. i'm getting nervous becouse of this dissbalance. dragonwariors are killing enemys without pain and without movements they just clickint left click and it's done. when i should run, dodge attacks, and becouse i'm moving i'm attacking all the time different enemy(they are dodging each others attacks) so to kill one enemy it tooks too much time from me. OK WE GOT CRIT CHANCE BUT WHO? DRAGON WARRIORS HAVE 30%-50% BETTER DAMAGE WEAPONS + THEIRE MAGIC SKILLS DOES MORE DAMAGE. AND BOTH SKILL AND WEAPONS MAKING HIGH DAMAGE AGAINST ENEMY. i have almost ALMOST ALL PINK ITEMS AND MY ARMOR AND BLOCK VALUE % is 2 TIMES SMALL THEN AT THE SAME LEVEL HAVE DRAGON WARRIORS.
i have 1310 health at 35 level, while dragon warriors have about 3500 (3 times more?)
SO IT MEANS THAT THEY HAVE 6 TIMES MORE LIFE(LIFE*armor value) THEN I HAVE. while i should run as a kid and try to dodge all attacks+ waste my time(+ mostly i'm without mana :D) at this time while i'm running as a kid i'm looking how they have have free farm.
i took that spellware becouse wanted good damage but less health. and what i got? ranged weak stupid attack which no one need. 2-3 dragonwarior can go into the dungeon and clean it while spellwares can't do it and they will die and die. i'm not speaking about that essence. ok spellware can buy essence for meteor (this is only one good think they have), but without meteor they are full unplayeble. and after this andermant drop rate decrease i can't buy even essence for meteors. so what i have got? i have got weak and unplable class
I DON'T CARE ABOUT THIS RANGED ATTACK IT'S ONLY ONE THINK THAT SPELLWARE HAVE BUT THEY EVEN CAN'T USE IT OR OTHER RANGED ENEMYS WITHIN 3 SHUT WILL KILL YOU OR SOMEONE WILL SLOW YOU DOWN. OH USE TELEPORT? right i can use it? but new enemy will come wich will blocks your attacks from your mine target (like i'm trying to kill one enemy within 20 second and new enemy not gives me to finish that job) and after all of this i'm getting without mana and to kill one STUPID ENEMY I NEED HUGE TIME.
1) dragon wariors have 6 times better health (life*armor value).
we have x health they have 3x. we have x armor value, they have about 5x armor value (which makes theire % damage reducation 2 times better)
2) we have crit chance with about max 40% but they have better weapons with 1.3-1.5 more damage so with all of this they don't need crit TO DO BETTER DAMAGE AGAINS ENEMY.
3) DRAGONWARIORS CLASS HAVE STRONGER SKILLS while my lef click does only 0.8 of damage of the weapon theire left click does 1.0 damage of the weapon (+ DON'T FORGET THAT THEIRE WEAPONS ARE WITH 30% better so it means that thei are doing huge and higher damage then noobware can)
4) to use crit chance we should took that stupid books in the left hend WHICH MEANS THAT WEA ARE WEAK WITHOUT ARMOR AND CAN'T SURVIVE AND IT MAKES GAME MORE PAINFUL.
DOSE ANYONE NOTED THAT AFTER 30 LEVEL PEOPLE ARE STOPING PLAYING WITH SPELLWARE AND STARTING TO PLAY AGAIN WITH DRAGONWARIOR. and at level 35 you can't find spellwares there is only all the dragon warriors? why it happens? becouse you can't level up with spellwares, it's unplayable. spellwares are underpowered.
SW are very strong man, you just dont have any good equipment. My SW in TEGAN is LVL 25 and i have ALOT of extrodinary and magic items and im a beast there, to bad so few ppl played there i switched to AGATHON. DK kill faster but that doesnt mean DK are unstoppable. We have to gain rage to attack, while SW can just blast, blast, blast potion and on on. Just reading the 1st paragraph i can tell your really lazy and dont even try to circle the enemy. My SW can take out lvl 32 dragons with NO fire essence or ice. Go search and u might find LEGENDARY weapons and that will help u out
SW are very strong man, you just dont have any good equipment. My SW in TEGAN is LVL 25 and i have ALOT of extrodinary and magic items and im a beast there, to bad so few ppl played there i switched to AGATHON. DK kill faster but that doesnt mean DK are unstoppable. We have to gain rage to attack, while SW can just blast, blast, blast potion and on on. Just reading the 1st paragraph i can tell your really lazy and dont even try to circle the enemy. My SW can take out lvl 32 dragons with NO fire essence or ice. Go search and u might find LEGENDARY weapons and that will help u out
ok... no need to spam this post any more... the thread is old and after it was changed too many thinks. for example was added legendary items(with this items sw can don't worry about mana waste) and removed potions. the strong side of dk were really potions bcz they can't play without taking damage while sw can try.
yes, after the patch dk isn't so strong! why? because you can't get heal at the pvp not in the arena... and killing enemy players won't give you healing so removing health potions really made dk weak... the game style of dk is to resist damage while sw made to just dodge them... after removing health potions it becamed problem mostly for dk. sw just can stay from range and fight without problem now while dk getting problems... if someone would catch sw he will die with or without(it just dosn't mater mostly for sw xD... 2 peopole catch you, you are dead...) potions really weren't the strong side of sw early and removing them didn't change things to him.
i don't know all prime problems after the new patchs but this littel( removing hp potions is a big deal) updates changed the game style very much.
so answering the old post and say that he/she is lazy and wrong, isn't right.
can't forget that dk needs 0 gold for fight while sw always need lots of potions(gold for potions), inventory space is always taken by potions too. it's not problem if you have upgraded all your magic skills but if you haven't, then to collect gold it's really pain for sw.
so, are you trying to say: sw is hard to level up, But as fast it became lvl 40+ it will be the leader of the ARENA! XD.
"My SW in TEGAN is LVL 25 and i have ALOT"...
TEGAN? smells like a black mage's city :D
-Amethyst-1
05.12.2011, 22:41
This is very true. I'm a Lvl 22 and I can't take down 3 undead warriors without using a health potion. It's crazy insane that I need Lvl 40's to do my quests with me. Please help out the Spellweaver a little bit. And I also can't get enough attacks in without running out of mana.
This is very true. I'm a Lvl 22 and I can't take down 3 undead warriors without using a health potion. It's crazy insane that I need Lvl 40's to do my quests with me. Please help out the Spellweaver a little bit.
SWs are quite balanced right now, you just need to learn how to dodge attacks.
Spellweavers are not for close combat.
And I also can't get enough attacks in without running out of mana.
This is not a problem anymore, mana regeneration is fast now...
-Amethyst-1
06.12.2011, 00:09
SWs are quite balanced right now, you just need to learn how to dodge attacks.
Spellweavers are not for close combat.
This is not a problem anymore, mana regeneration is fast now...
I guess I can work things out with the health. I haven't notice the mana getting better since i was letting my Lvl 40 friend kill all my enemies :/.
DethHertz
06.12.2011, 00:57
it funny reading this WHOLE thread, lol. i was thinking how tuff it must be for DK to lvl, my SW just runs around in a circle killing everything, watching 50 enemies fall in 1-2min, i wonder how long it take a DK, i made a dk, hes only lvl 12 cuz he was boring to play after a SW.
my SW is lvl 33 now, and he hasn't slowed down in lvling at all. i guess it safe to assume that the first guy who started this thread didnt know how to play a weaver.
getting to kingshill, my SW died once in first dungeon boss due to a game lag, and my DK didnt die at all. i felt it was faster killing with my Weaver. i think both classes are well balanced :D
I guess I can work things out with the health. I haven't notice the mana getting better since i was letting my Lvl 40 friend kill all my enemies :/.
Like your signature says: don't give up. Try this for example: grab the best 1h wand and book you can find and go to Silfmoor, take the right path, run around mobs to group them avoiding archers' arrows, use Arkan Teleport if there's an obstacle, use the Explosion basic spell to kill the groups: first Nefertaris, then archers and finally skeletons. Practice this and you'll master it, then you can try new ways/spells and choose one acording to your taste. :)
-Amethyst-1
06.12.2011, 23:17
Like your signature says: don't give up. Try this for example: grab the best 1h wand and book you can find and go to Silfmoor, take the right path, run around mobs to group them avoiding archers' arrows, use Arkan Teleport if there's an obstacle, use the Explosion basic spell to kill the groups: first Nefertaris, then archers and finally skeletons. Practice this and you'll master it, then you can try new ways/spells and choose one acording to your taste. :)
That is exactly why I made my sig. Thanks for the strategies and the comment. :)
hitaisin
21.12.2011, 14:08
after level 20 is hard to play for me, old locations don't give exp., but slifmoor is too difficult!
- I want more spells
- faster mana regeneration
- more basic damage per level, now spellweaver is really weak
Every month game is getting better, hope they fix spellweaver in next month!
Guys, make sure u have very good equipment on before saying SW is bad. SW is not bad, it's actually more balanced then DK and DK beeing OP, it just takes more effort to solo sometimes due to low health. So make sure u have the right setup, farm/create purples and replace those old trinkets u still wear from lvl 5 :D
it funny reading this WHOLE thread, lol. i was thinking how tuff it must be for DK to lvl, my SW just runs around in a circle killing everything, watching 50 enemies fall in 1-2min, i wonder how long it take a DK, i made a dk, hes only lvl 12 cuz he was boring to play after a SW.
my SW is lvl 33 now, and he hasn't slowed down in lvling at all. i guess it safe to assume that the first guy who started this thread didnt know how to play a weaver.
getting to kingshill, my SW died once in first dungeon boss due to a game lag, and my DK didnt die at all. i felt it was faster killing with my Weaver. i think both classes are well balanced :D
Actually, spellweavers are quite good at lower levels where all the mobs are slow or standing still. Those are quite easy to kite. However, as soon as you get to higher levels where the sheer volume of mobs with their projectiles filing the air with blasts and arrows, it gets more difficult. Once you hit norseland, you will find that many of the mobs can teleport to you and freeze you, or simply charge at you, making dodging attacks much more difficult, and sometimes impossible if facing multiple. By the time you hit near max levels and gets into bossing, you will realize that as a SW you lack the ability to deal good single target damage, unlike DK and their cry + spam strikes. In addition, your low health and armor equates death whenever boss switch target and targets you, resulting more anderments spend on revival. Not only that, you will find because of your inability to deal massive single target damage and the inability to rotate damage from boss by alternating tanking ( which result in 4 DK taking more damage so that you can avoid getting hit, as oppose to 5 DK rotate taking damage) will mean that good parties will simply not invite you because you are a liability.
So bascially, as higher level you get, the more useless you become as a SW with the current class balance.
Now, let us get started on PvP. At level 19, where everyone is a noob in poor gears, you'll pwn, if you can kite and deal damage on chasing DKs. However, once you hit level 29, you realize that some DKs are learning to use paralyze charge well, while making most use of their generated rage. At this level, you will start losing a lot of matches against a good DK, but there will always be those poorly equiped DKs or new pvp players who you can kill. By the time you hit level 40, you realize that now, most pvp players are well equiped with diamonds designed to nerf all your attacks. In addition, the same DKs are cry + rush and usually kill you before stuns wear off. The same said pvp DKs are also using anderment essence, which means instant death for you because of your near nonexistant health and armor.
But hey, they are using anderment essence, so you decide, heck why not, I'll use them too ! But guess what? Their massive health and armor usually mean they can tank your hits, even when you are using those essence, at least long enough to cry and rush, then kill you. So now, you're on the defensive, trying to run around, avoiding Dk's attention while somehow expecting to hit them enough times to kill them..... Well, good luck with that :)
Yup, next up, I know what you're thinking, look at those pvp boards and those leading players who are spellweavers! Well, sorry to disappoint you, the same players who are leading are also the ones who pvp non stop all day. Those honor points do not display your kill/death ratio, nor does it display the players you killed and how well they are equipped. In fact, the funny thing is, those same spellweavers will often go after other spellweavers instead of Dk, because they know they have a greater chance of killing other weavers than knights.
Well, that about sum up spellweavers. They sure are a great class. :cool: (sarcasm)
Feel free to disagree with me at any point, provided that you give reasonable proof or put up a good argument.
Edit: Oh yea, with the addition of ranger class. You can get a few kills if you go solely after them, because as long as you kite around, then throw in a nova, followed by lightning, you stand a fairly good chance at all levels. Spellweavers are currently stronger than rangers in PvP. You'd also do well against a poorly played DK or an undergeared one who does not use good essence. But on a level field, you will lose to DKs. DK>SW>Ranger, in the PvP hierarchy. In PvE, at high levels, DK beats both without a doubt.
Memnarchy
22.12.2011, 10:38
I enjoy the SW % hit benifits and in a group they prove to be the bigger power house as long as there is some one to take the damage. I do say some days when going solo to get better equip I wish i had more health. However some people are forgetting that you can equip gems to greatly improve health and defense. I'm not gonna build any up till i get to the higher levels , no sense to build up some good rings and equip with gems when only a better one to appear at a higher level.
Which brings me to my only complaint, wish you could break down equip to take back gems used sorry if completly off topic but it would be helpful especially for a sw becuase we depend on anything that helps keeps us alive longer during game play!
Entoarox
22.12.2011, 15:10
no offense, but with the new skill & essence changes, spellweavers have new and better tactics they can use to kill an enemy before they can make a hit, even if that enemy has more health then you....
all you truely need for a good spellweaver, is either a fast tactical mind, or (if you wanna cheapen it) tons of andermant to get 5gem gears outfitted all over...
no offense, but with the new skill & essence changes, spellweavers have new and better tactics they can use to kill an enemy before they can make a hit, even if that enemy has more health then you....
all you truely need for a good spellweaver, is either a fast tactical mind, or (if you wanna cheapen it) tons of andermant to get 5gem gears outfitted all over...
With all due respect, endgame bosses' attacks can't be dodged, and those attacks will kill you when (not if) it hit. Fast tactical mind will only get you so far. You have to accept the limitations of the class. Also, as the original poster stated, time is also an issue. Taking twice to three times as long to kill mobs is also a disadvantage when facing fast/teleporting/charging/etc. mobs, all of which you will face in endgame. Those mobs also hit fairly high on spellweavers in general.
Spending anderment can be said both ways. If you spend X amount of anderments on buffing a certain class so it is standard, the same can be said to another class, ie DK, to make it even more powerful.
I don't think Spellweavers are weak at all. I can solo the prison of souls and I'm lvl 25. I have no trouble wading my way through silfmoor, and in PvP mode I don't find that I'm weaker than the DKs. I actually feel sorry for the DKs because they have a hard time catching weavers and rangers.
I think it mostly boils down to how good of a player you are. DKs are certainly easier to play and thus better for most people. SWs are more difficult to play and thus worse for most people. For me, the SW is better.
If you take a smart player with a DK and a smart player with a SW the SW will always win because they have the possibility for strategy. DKs just go in and smash faces, they can't do much else. SWs have the possibility to be more resourceful.
letchinchin
23.12.2011, 01:31
I am finding spellweavers strong and am around the level 30 point. It's true that they were weak before the patch, but I am really enjoying the new skills. It just took some practice with the tactics. I can kill large groups elites quickly that well equipped dk's of a much higher level cannot, so it's only fair that dk's can do something that I can't (e.g. solo certain bosses, although being able to solo endgame bosses is way better haha). @ee5k - From what you say it sounds like the endgame needs a lot of tweaking. An alternating aggro system is simply unfair to spellweavers with such low health. If they go for an alternating system, at least make the attacks non lethal as it really feels they are punishing ranged characters at the moment with those attacks. I have not yet reached endgame so can't comment on how it plays, if I can find a good strategy to effectively kill endgame monsters, or the problems associated. Having heard what you have to say, I'm holding back on buying any andermant until I find out if spellweavers are wanted for endgame boss farming groups and if they are able to avoid death. I would expect finding a group should be possible, surely at least 1 spellweaver and ranger would be wanted for their slowing/stunning skills, as well as heavy damage. However if death is unavoidable while farming those bosses as a spellweaver, I am not paying to fork out 120 andermant every time I die while dk's don't have to.
I don't think Spellweavers are weak at all. I can solo the prison of souls and I'm lvl 25. I have no trouble wading my way through silfmoor, and in PvP mode I don't find that I'm weaker than the DKs. I actually feel sorry for the DKs because they have a hard time catching weavers and rangers.
I think it mostly boils down to how good of a player you are. DKs are certainly easier to play and thus better for most people. SWs are more difficult to play and thus worse for most people. For me, the SW is better.
If you take a smart player with a DK and a smart player with a SW the SW will always win because they have the possibility for strategy. DKs just go in and smash faces, they can't do much else. SWs have the possibility to be more resourceful.
Sifmoor is considered easy. Dk in white gear and careful playing can get through that area (I've done it while saving CoTs). Wait until you reach norselands as a spellweaver. You will find it much more challenging, whereas a similar geared Dk can just breeze through.
And you are totally wrong about pvp, like many others who are lead to believe that "strategy" can kill an equally good Dk. All Dk has to do is catch you once with paralyze rush, and you're dead. You, as a spellweaver on the other hand requires much more hits to kill them. Against any good Dk, 1 freeze is easy to pull off. I've played both classes for pvp, in different level ranges as well (19, 29, 40) with high ranks, ie seasoned legionnaire+, and I know for a certainty that Dk kills much faster and easier.
Here is an example of how most pvp combos and fights begins and ends with DK vs SW:
SW attempts to shoot and slow, then nova followed by lightning, and teleport, then repeat cycle. More than 1 cycle is needed to kill an equally good Dk. Nova got very long cooldown, so cycle takes quite long to repeat. Before essence update, a good spellweaver will first meteor, then freeze you in place with nova, then spam lightning followed by 1 ice blast, then teleport before repeating cycle. Quite a good combo and deals good damage, usually instant kill on other weavers, but against equally good Dks, 9/10 times, they will survive and kill you before you get another chance to repeat your combo cycle.
Here is what Dk does, cry, rush, hit once or twice, followed by a swing. Most of the time, you're dead. Second tactic is to prevent you from running is to cry, rush, hit, 360 spins to slow you down from running and taking damage over time. Now if you attempt to teleport/run, Dk will catch you fast enough to land another hit, followed by another rush, then repeat first cycle of hit and swing. 9/10 SWs will die from that combo.
Dk's cycle is not only quicker to repeat but also more reliable. With the addition of 200% and 300% damage buffs, it means their combo is about 2x to 3x more effective, while SWs' hardly got any better (Dk's massive health and armor means survival against those essence).
Of course, you being a level 25, and I'm assuming this is your first time running through the game, I guess you will have to wait and see. But take it from someone who has done it that Spellweavers are weaker against equally good Dk and no amount of strategy will make a huge difference overall.
By the way, when I made my first spellweaver, I had the same train of thought, that a good, "smart" spellweaver can kill Dks. Oh boy, was I wrong. :)
I am finding spellweavers strong and am around the level 30 point. It's true that they were weak before the patch, but I am really enjoying the new skills. It just took some practice with the tactics. I can kill large groups elites quickly that well equipped dk's of a much higher level cannot, so it's only fair that dk's can do something that I can't (e.g. solo certain bosses, although being able to solo endgame bosses is way better haha). @ee5k - From what you say it sounds like the endgame needs a lot of tweaking. An alternating aggro system is simply unfair to spellweavers with such low health. If they go for an alternating system, at least make the attacks non lethal as it really feels they are punishing ranged characters at the moment with those attacks. I have not yet reached endgame so can't comment on how it plays, if I can find a good strategy to effectively kill endgame monsters, or the problems associated. Having heard what you have to say, I'm holding back on buying any andermant until I find out if spellweavers are wanted for endgame boss farming groups and if they are able to avoid death. I would expect finding a group should be possible, surely at least 1 spellweaver and ranger would be wanted for their slowing/stunning skills, as well as heavy damage. However if death is unavoidable while farming those bosses as a spellweaver, I am not paying to fork out 120 andermant every time I die while dk's don't have to.
Don't get me wrong, you can find groups of really good friends who are happy to have you join them. But you'd feel like leeching because the group could do way better with a Dk. Once again, because Dks are better single target damage dealers, and they can rotate damage taking. 5 Dks taking damage is better than 4 Dks, which means everyone survives better. Since 5 Dks deals more damage than 4 Dks + 1 mage/ranger, it also means you kill faster, resulting in more loot and less essence used for each dk. Essentially, it is not only faster, safer, but also cheaper for the other Dks in the group. When you are put into a situation where you being there is making the group worse, would you still feel all that good ? Not sure about you, but I prefer not being a liability, the weakest link in the chain.
A good spellweaver can survive one or two direct hits from bosses, but you will need some good Dks to constantly protect you from being hit repeatedly.
Bosses can't be stunned. Slow is useless when you are meleeing anyways.
120 anderment per respawn is not cheap in the long run either. And if your friends are more likely to die with you in the group, and after cashing those 120 anderment respawns, after a while, they will reconsider having you there, even if you like leeching.
Its kinda funny, lately i haven't seen many DKs in the arena. I just had a fight where it was all SWs. I think you DKs are getting frustrated on how you can't just bull rush us SWs to win. You have to think.
DethHertz
23.12.2011, 19:54
i agree eek, in pvp at higher lvls, ive noticed a good DK can withstand and heal b4 i can repeat my combo, ive gone throught the whole game as a SW and played a DK half way through so far, so far it seems my SW kills mobs much faster, and for me atleast is more fun, than the hack and slash of the DK.
as a SW i havent been able to get into a group able to kill the last 2 bosses, and cant solo them, thus my only quests left for my SW :( so i believe what you are saying about no high LVL DK wanting to group with SW. but i think 5 SW lvl 40 will be able to kill these bosses, as the auto lock attacks get divided. Bosses not freezing will make it really hard. the norse boss, i got to 50% life, died twice before giving up SOLO, so i think 5 weavers can do it. IM just waiting for some more SW to lvl up :D
once i hit lvl 30 many weeks ago, i have NEVER got into a arena match again, and i always have a match qued. , but at lvl 29 i was dominating but that was b4 035 patch.
-Blueberry-
23.12.2011, 20:51
Thanks for your posts ee5k, they are very useful to me, as you speak from experience.
They do not dishearten me as such, I'm quite happy playing spellweaver, I take your point it maybe slightly harder, and you cannot use strategy as well as you would like. I plan to use gear as well. See how that does for me.
Everyone -
This has been an interesting discussion. Please do not ruin it with personal attacks, no matter how mild. If that happens we'd have to close the thread.
Thanks.
letchinchin
24.12.2011, 02:08
To be honest I have definitely been very disheartened. I play for the endgame and it sounds like the endgame sucks for spellweavers. The party system (in terms of tank/damage dealer etc) is very poor in this game which focuses much more on solo play. However to me endgame of a mmo should be party based. It's actually a positive thing that I have been so disheartened, and I would like to thank you eek for saving me a lot of time and money :). Your points were very well explained and clearly from a looot of experience.
-Blueberry-
24.12.2011, 09:45
To be honest I have definitely been very disheartened. I play for the endgame and it sounds like the endgame sucks for spellweavers. The party system (in terms of tank/damage dealer etc) is very poor in this game which focuses much more on solo play. However to me endgame of a mmo should be party based. It's actually a positive thing that I have been so disheartened, and I would like to thank you eek for saving me a lot of time and money :). Your points were very well explained and clearly from a looot of experience.
I think the 2 most important improvements required for this game involve;
1. Party and chat system.
2. Level 40 endgame content.
I think everyone knows this, the developers must know this.
So far, I think the developers have been very good at adding stuff, tweaking stuff, I'm very certain they'll sort it out given a bit of time.
To be honest I have definitely been very disheartened..
Don't be. Let your personal experience show what you get from playing it, and feedback us your findings. We encourage players to do so, as it's one of best tools to show what's expected, and help in making finished product polished.
I assure you no negative feedback is frowned upon, as long it's explained and constructive, like quite a few do it here.
Regards,
=VaL=
letchinchin
25.12.2011, 01:33
I won't quit playing as such, just prevents me from spending any money on the game and I have been guilty of spending 1000's on previous games. I don't believe spellweavers to be weak initially, but I do believe from eek's extensive experience that the endgame needs to be tweaked for all characters but especially spellweavers (including for endgame pvp).
The endgame players tend to be the "hardcore" players who spend a lot on the game, but you provide nothing for us to spend on when we reach there...
I understand that the game is still in beta and I very much hope that the developers are competent/invested enough to make this game a "long" term hit. I have always preferred mages in any game of this type I have played, and won't change to dk for any reason (would rather change game/not play).
This does not mean simply adding more endgame content/bosses etc, it means rebalancing the endgame characters towards the endgame content. There are many ways to do this. One way would be to directly balance the characters or bosses (introduce new skills for those classes who are struggling (at least make them more useful to a party, for example ability to slow/freeze/much more heavy damage/heal/buff etc) or change bosses so they are not so brutal towards ranged classes).
What the developers have to realize is that although they can make a quick buck with the current system/hype, it will run out if the content is not appealing enough for long term play. That means having real endgame party content where you benefit from having all classes in a farming party and not just dk's.
Surely it must tell you something when an endgame farming party is best when solely made up of dk's. I will continue slowly grinding for free and checking in when I have time to see if this game turns for the better. It is very true what many say, that I would be very willing to pay a lot towards something I thoroughly enjoy.
@letchinchin
Currently, I am playing the ranger class, which is the worst class ingame (in my opinion).
Compared to rangers, mages are better, at the very least in PvP. Mages can farm better in PvE due to many powerful AoEs that rangers do not possess.
It was never my intention to dishearten you from playing the game.
My point was to simply raise awareness that DKs are just overpowered. Rangers and mages are in the same ballpark, but both vastly inferior compared to our current Dks.
I firmly believe that the developers will balance the classes in the near future.
Even though some classes are inferior in comparison to others, they can still be quite fun to play, for their style, provided you don't go "hardcore" in competition against other players (PvP & endgame Bossing). Both my DK (which I got bored of playing) and SW (bored also after level 30) are just collecting cyber dusts. I find rangers are quite nice as they offer a different playing style, even though it is weaker. But that doesn't matter as long as you don't get into hardcore PvPing.
I also have a level 19 Dk which I use for some fun PvPing. It is a lot cheaper to PvP on lower levels than at higher levels simply because of the cash saved from using high level essence. Most people that level just uses green (costs silver) and blue (you can get as drops or only 300 anderments per stack). So you don't feel like you need to purchase better essence just to beat them or to be on the same playing field. Gears are also cheaper. Less crystals of truth required.
The only downside is that you will receive less honor point for battles won. But since honor point are kind of useless right now (honor items are way overpriced and same as the NPC drops), it really isn't all that big of a deal. After all, you're there for the fun, not those points.
Anyways, if you want, give that a shot, it can be quite fun.
Fair warning though, there are some die hard lvl 19 PvPers who will use 300% essence just to win (myself not included). You usually can tell who they are because it is always the same few, but nevertheless, it is a very small minority, usually those are centurions+. Although it puzzles me why they bother since they are 1 or 2 shotting everyone. o.o lol Just leave those matches and rejoin, or go afk and browse the web.
O yea, it is also quicker to find matches at that level. Usually at least one or two people on your team is ardent recruit or higher, since A LOT of people have lvl 19 noobs for pvp. Despite what others think, there really isn't a lot of "total clueless noobs who you can take advantage of". Usually I just avoid them go after the bigger fish for more challenge. :eek:
I'll stop the rambling now. lol PvPing can be fun and less punishing on your wallet. Saves you time and money overall for the same amount of fun, at least until they balanced the classes and introduce more end game content.
I think the 2 most important improvements required for this game involve;
1. Party and chat system.
2. Level 40 endgame content.
I think everyone knows this, the developers must know this.
So far, I think the developers have been very good at adding stuff, tweaking stuff, I'm very certain they'll sort it out given a bit of time.
You forgot the third improvement there: class balance.
Without that the party system will be practically only full of DKs and the end-game content will be DK-exclusive.
Oh guys... this game needs some serious changes all over it... :(
Vellocet1
06.01.2012, 09:37
I'm quite happy being a Spellweaver. Yes, I do sacrifice my armor and health, but being a Spellweaver means being more mobile. Unlike using a wand and a sphere, staffs do a lot more damage - following the principle of "sometimes the best defense is a good offense".
As I understand, the game mechanics are still being polished, so we will have to wait for the final update and release of Spellweaver's skills.
I have DK lvl 29, Ranger lvl 29, SW lvl 28 and I would never say that SW is weak or weakest. I would even say that with similiar items SW have biggest potential because in fact he have the best damaging possibilities and mobility. My DK is overfarmed with 5k CoT's still in inventory and 9 legendaries on char I'm killing on arena as much as with my SW that have 1 legendary item and is wearing really bad stuff compared to DK. I would even say that SW is Overpowered as character in both PvM and PvP with variety of ranged and AoE skills, stunes, slows and burns I would call him the most complete.
After new skill system definetly easiest to play, and a bit OP on the arena due to high damage and the best stun (frost nova) that is 99,9% hit after u freeze the guy you cast lighting strike which is also 100% hit because uhhhh, target is frozen. Somehow lighting is coming down faster than meteor i don't get this, 250% damage skill that is always hitting after the nova. IF you say SW is weak I just tell you that I meet guys that are dealing 3000 damage with lighting strike on level 29 -_- (300% essences, aka instant kill). And there is no way to escape from that most of the time, while evading DK and ranger damage is easy.
Note that on the arena u get points based on damage done and kills done, so guess what character will be the best in that matter? SW, no matter u die 10 times you still get more points because you deal most damage.
I will give you big tip stack up armor, health and damage, minimalize mana bonus from items, and you will notice the diffrence.
i really dont have any problems, i am a spellWeAver and usualy own mobs, dragonknights are tanks thats why they have more hp and armour value, yes there may be some room for improvement on the spellweavers, but as im sure everyone is aware that we are still in the beta stage of the game, patience is a virtue my good son :D
thanks for reading and goodluck out there~!
sboisselle
15.01.2012, 17:17
I play a spellweaver on Balor which is full pvp. I can ice 4 players while kiting a screen full of mobs and using meteor on them. If you think your class is weak there is one of 2 reasons for it. #1. You cant play the class or dont understand it. or #2. You arent properly geared. I have a ranger and a dk also and I have no problems in pve or pvp with any of them and i dont spend cash on the game. At lvl 10 my ranger was killing lvl 20's, at lvl 10 my spellweaver was killing lvl 20-30 players. Mages arent supposed to stand next to something and let it beat the hell outta them then complain they are weak. From my experience spellweavers get about 3-4x as many rarer gear drops than rangers and Dk's which easily makes up for your damage/armor issue so long as your not putting on crap gear with junk enchantments. My level 24 spellweaver on Balor using outdated gear has 48% damage absorb , 32% block , 55% block damage reduction and 49.73% crit rate and some of the gear pieces im wearing are lvl 7-15 requirement only.
sboisselle
15.01.2012, 17:26
I will give you big tip stack up armor, health and damage, minimalize mana bonus from items, and you will notice the diffrence.
Health and damage bonuses arent even needed. If he's worried about being out of mana all the time and damage he's taking all he needs is gear with the right armor bonus and mana bonus + crit rate buff .. health and damage arent needed when your hitting 50%+ damage reduction and the larger mana pool allows him to keep kiting more. Throw on the crit rate buffs to get to 40% or higher and u can buy green essences for a few silver and stockpile combat essences or larger for soloing dungeon bosses or pvp. Heredur's Fortune is a real easy way to get your block, block reduction and armor up on a mage and will last you for quite a while if your having probs getting good armor / enchant to drop. Would last ya forever but at 13000 adermant just to upgrade it from like lvl 17-20 makes it kinda pointless to upgrade lol
-Blueberry-
15.01.2012, 17:52
My level 24 spellweaver on Balor using outdated gear has 48% damage absorb , 32% block , 55% block damage reduction and 49.73% crit rate and some of the gear pieces im wearing are lvl 7-15 requirement only.
Very few Spellweavers after level 29 ever comment, have you noticed ?
I'm on Balor also, I see 2 very good spellweavers, and these 2 pvp all day long pretty much, their gear must be awesome. Lamuerte and Rhizo.
I'm level 36, I've not paid to play either, and I've been on lvl 36 for almost 3 weeks.
The reason why ee5k's posts were very interesting, is he is almost the only lvl 40 speallweaver to ever comment.
At level 29, yes Spellweavers were godlike. They could kill anyone in 1 combo.
After that, DK's cannot be damaged.
I'm not unhappy with my spellweaver, I believe it could be insanely strong, like Lamuerte or Rhizo. But I also don't really feel I can comment properly yet, as I'm 4 levels away from lvl 40. Right now, at lvl 36, I cannot kill anything, and I used to be godlike at lvl 29. So it's hard to tell how it will go.
Everything aside, I love playing a spellweaver. I just don't have a feel yet how balanced they are. I think as a lvl 24 spellweaver, you cannot really comment on class balance yet - as everything changes so much.
==Viper==
15.01.2012, 18:26
Very few Spellweavers after level 29 ever comment, have you noticed ?
I'm on Balor also, I see 2 very good spellweavers, and these 2 pvp all day long pretty much, their gear must be awesome. Lamuerte and Rhizo.
I'm level 36, I've not paid to play either, and I've been on lvl 36 for almost 3 weeks.
The reason why ee5k's posts were very interesting, is he is almost the only lvl 40 speallweaver to ever comment.
At level 29, yes Spellweavers were godlike. They could kill anyone in 1 combo.
After that, DK's cannot be damaged.
I'm not unhappy with my spellweaver, I believe it could be insanely strong, like Lamuerte or Rhizo. But I also don't really feel I can comment properly yet, as I'm 4 levels away from lvl 40. Right now, at lvl 36, I cannot kill anything, and I used to be godlike at lvl 29. So it's hard to tell how it will go.
Everything aside, I love playing a spellweaver. I just don't have a feel yet how balanced they are. I think as a lvl 24 spellweaver, you cannot really comment on class balance yet - as everything changes so much.
I actually have a level 32 Spellweaver on Balor myself and I can take on most anyone at that level or even 2-3 levels higher than myself and this account is a paying account and absolutely love playing that account besides my SW on Heredur and Ranger on Tegan.
-Blueberry-
15.01.2012, 18:48
I actually have a level 32 Spellweaver on Balor myself and I can take on most anyone at that level or even 2-3 levels higher than myself and this account is a paying account and absolutely love playing that account besides my SW on Heredur and Ranger on Tegan.
Hiya,
Hope to run into you one day in pvp. :)
I think all I am saying, is a lot of these posts are premature, to make sweeping statements about class balance.
I love playing spellweaver also, it's challenging in certain areas, and easier in others.
At 29 I was amazing, at 36 I'm struggling a little - but don't get me wrong, I'm still enjoying it, and at lvl 40, I cannot comment, though I see 2 very good spellweavers in action every day 2 shotting me. :p DK's I cannot touch yet.
I measure myself against them, I'm hoping to make it more difficult for them as time goes by!
I think basically, I'm at an in-between stage.
==Viper==
15.01.2012, 19:03
Hiya,
Hope to run into you one day in pvp. :)
I think all I am saying, is a lot of these posts are premature, to make sweeping statements about class balance.
I love playing spellweaver also, it's challenging in certain areas, and easier in others.
At 29 I was amazing, at 36 I'm struggling a little - but don't get me wrong, I'm still enjoying it, and at lvl 40, I cannot comment, though I see 2 very good spellweavers in action every day 2 shotting me. :p DK's I cannot touch yet.
I measure myself against them, I'm hoping to make it more difficult for them as time goes by!
I think basically, I'm at an in-between stage.
You probably will, but I won't be online battling you out as GA Viper, it would be my personal character, which I'm not going to disclose. I don't want to see a swarm of players in Balor making it impossible for me to play everytime I login.
I find it very odd that the new updates continue to buff up the Rangers while some time ago, the spell-weaver lightning stun was dumbed down in PvP. This, I do not understand. The DK has an incredibly strong stun while just now the Rangers got a buff on their net casting thing, yet here we are, Spellweavers, weak as always.
I know many of you would argue that it takes skill to be an amazing spellweaver, but seriously, why does skill matter when the DK and the Rangers need no skill to be at the same capacity? I absolutely detest this so please give us SW some buffs too!
I find it very odd that the new updates continue to buff up the Rangers while some time ago, the apell-weaver lightning stun was dumbed down in PvP. This, I do not understand. The DK has an incredibly strong stun while just now the Rangers got a buff on their net casting thing, yet here we are, Spellweavers, weak as always.
I know many of you would argue that it takes skill to be an amazing spellweaver, but seriously, why does skill matter when the DK and the Rangers need no skill to be at the same capacity? I absolutely detest this so please give us SW some buffs too!
I've got all three chars currently lvl 28,29,35 and if you feel like spellweaver is weak then try another class and you will get surprised how wrong you are. Currently all classes are playable it's a matter of farming a bit and getting correct items. Yet I belive spellweaver is most complete and complex class, even if you are forced to run and avoid arrowes or use mana potions, you still have the best damage output and slows/stuns in game which are crucial in both PvP and PvM.
Manong -
None of the classes are finished, lots more to come. The developers have to balance thousands of things, like 200 jig-saw puzzles, each with 500 pieces. They can not work on more than a few at a time, or the pieces become hopelessly confused. Thus they get three classes working, boost something here and there, add more content, fix bugs, and on, and on. Be patient, please.
-Belinor-
21.01.2012, 00:00
I've got all three chars currently lvl 28,29,35 and if you feel like spellweaver is weak then try another class and you will get surprised how wrong you are. Currently all classes are playable it's a matter of farming a bit and getting correct items. Yet I belive spellweaver is most complete and complex class, even if you are forced to run and avoid arrowes or use mana potions, you still have the best damage output and slows/stuns in game which are crucial in both PvP and PvM.
Yes, i have too all three characters and i must say that mages have powerful attack and with teleport and AoE attack it is deadly combination but mages have lesser resistance. On the other side knights have both powerful attacks and high resistance with many lives. Rangers are not best on both. They havent got so powerful attacks, concentracion is rapidly out and resistance is somewhere between mage and knight (more close to mage). Isnt bad in PvE but in PvP in arenas is totaly useless because ranger dont have any AoE attack and shoot runing players is almost immposible. I suggest to make any auto-aim shoot to give rangers some chance to hit somebody in arena or some AoE attack like thorny net, or multiple shots...etc. I think it wil help to balance game more so please suggest it to developers.
ATM imo.
Knights>Mages>Rangers.(i know that I call them other words) :)
Almost all of my guild mates started to create Knights cuz they felt that they are a lot more viable in PVP and PVE. I agree but I still like my teleport as mage so I just run around the arena if there are more than 1 knight cuz its already over because of their huge HP pool and dmg. The biggest problem for mages are that if u get stunned by warrior u are deador close to death(that is if u are not a "wallet warrior".
And the leveling alone is almost impossible... always needs to ask for help from knight to tank monsters, problem is not that we are weak, but that our mana pool is empty after several shots...
While mages are fun to play sometimes its really frustrating when u cant kill knight by shooting all your skills till you are out of mana.. :(
sboisselle
21.01.2012, 18:07
It all comes down to your gear choices and how much you a working to get equipped and not power levelling. I know rangers at lvl 20 and 30 that hit for 1k+ damage on marked DK's with 60%+ damage absorb. Not to mention if your a Spellweaver we can bolt in excess of 2300 damage in crap gear with essences in the 20's and over 3k damage in the 30's. Mages arent supposed to be tanks, they are squishy as they should be but you can still get over 50% damage absorb with ease if your farming gear and equipping the right stuff. As far as mana pools between pots, elixirs (yes i know the drop rate sux on these) and gear bonuses you shouldn't be running out of power unless your fighting bosses and casting a ton, though i will say that our base attack skill is the only one i know of that depletes a characters pool completely and prevents you from being able to attack at all which really is not balanced. A DK can fight without rage and a ranger does not run out of concentration just firing off hunting arrows.
As far as the claim that a spellweaver can not solo cause of the need of a tank .. thats total Edited. I have solo'd all the way into my 30's now including all dungeons and the sealed dungeons. Stop looking for instant gratification and farm up the proper items. Frankly this is why games get so screwed up because people think they should be able to do anything they want with any class without any work at it. They complain and complain and complain until devs nerf a class or overpower a class and then the other people start to complain. If one class was so totally dominant everyone would be it. Prime example was EQ2 with spell stacking for necromancers prior to GU13. EVERYONE had a necro because you could solo bosses that were supposed to take 12-24 players to kill and for a while everyone called it NecroQuest.
DK's = Strong Attack, Strong Def .... um ok THATS WHAT A KNIGHT DOES!! Not to mention seeing as most rangers hit my spellweaver harder than most Knights do I wouldnt say the attack is strong. And before anyone complains that the stun is overpowered what about our double stun. Freeze , Bolt, unleash Edited.. that makes DK stun look like childs play not to mention if you have half a brain your not letting the DK get into range to reach you on his stun.
Rangers = mid power attack/def ... if having the ability to hit 60%+ absorb DK's for over 1k damage a hit is mid power i must be missing something. Defense is supposed to be weaker than a knight your in leather not steel!
Spellweavers= Strong Attack, AoE, Weak Def, Low Health .... THATS A MAGE!! 5+ second pvp stun (nova+bolt), 2000-3000+ damage AoE hit while the person is stunned , and still time to get off some fireballs , ice blasts before porting away... where's there problem?
And before anyone says well im not a cash player i cant afford all that gear.. I havent spent anything on the game, I have solo farmed everything I have on spellweaver , ranger and DK.
Spellweaver we can bolt in excess of 2300 damage in crap gear with essences in the 20's and over 3k damage in the 30's.
I dont think that avarege player is able to do that dmg u mentioned in level 20 because of items needed, because of COT needed to identify them, because of time needed to grind for items and cot, ,money needed to buy x374528 dmg boost etc. So by saying this I dont think that your numbers are right, maybe only for total addicts who have patience and all the time in the world.
I think all we need is few tweaks here and there and it will be fine for avarage players. Good luck to Developers!
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Thank you all for your continued polite exchange of ideas. The developers are hard at work extending play, fixing bugs, and making some of the adjustments you have been requesting. As always, keep your eye on Patch Notes & Maintenance (http://en.board.bigpoint.com/drasaonline/forumdisplay.php?f=2100)
sboisselle
22.01.2012, 14:41
I dont think that avarege player is able to do that dmg u mentioned in level 20 because of items needed, because of COT needed to identify them, because of time needed to grind for items and cot, ,money needed to buy x374528 dmg boost etc. So by saying this I dont think that your numbers are right, maybe only for total addicts who have patience and all the time in the world.
You dont need massive gear to hit 2300 damage at level 20. 100% essences = 700-800+ damage with critical hit in junk gear (all green or even a few white) thats a 2 hit kill on most DK's in that level range , 200% essences = 1400-1600 , and 300% essences = well over 2k damage. If you are rerunning dungeons and/or grouping often you are easily in full blue gear , purple is not needed nor is legendary or uniques. Yes it takes a good deal of adermant to purchase 300% essences but it all comes down to what you as a player feels is more important to spend that on. By level 20 you should be able to afford a stack of 300% if you've saved your adermant and when your 2 hitting players in arena that stack can last for quite a while. Again your gear choices will determine what you can do.. Just because an item is blue does NOT mean it is better than a green. You have to account for the enchantments and get what you need. There are plenty of low end blue and purple drops that are lvl 1-7 req that can last you into your upper 20's and still be better than the lvl 16+ drops even without upgrading. Example at lvl 27 i was still wearing purple lvl 7 req hat with 75 armor value, a lvl 2 req boots with 59 armor. I have gotten similar drops for my ranger and DK that i still use also at the low 20 ranges.
How to get essences, pots, CoT's while not outleveling your higher gear drops: under lvl 15 Farm Grimmagstone or Darbmoor skeletons Lvl 15-19 Farm Hagastove Grotto( no xp gain except for the lvl 14 boss kill), Catacombs (only catacomb not crypt) = minimal xp gains. Lvl 20+ Wild Forest and so on.
Full Purple Gear for low level Spellweavers: Farm Grimmagstone.. Yes the gear reqs will be lvl 1-7 but there are very very good enchants on alot of it. Example 50-75 armor value Caps, Boots, and other stuff. And the CoT costs are relatively low and easy to farm at this point of the game. The most common Purple drops for low level Spellweavers are necklace, Cap, belt, writ,boots, and shoulder pads. All remaining pieces take alot longer time to farm and can be skipped. You can easily get at least one purple drop or many blue/green as a spellweaver by running the sealed dungeon in Darbmoor at level 4 once you have frost nova. You can run the zone solo in white and or green gear without any help simply by having heals and a couple mana potions.
Does all this take time... YES!! Should it take some time? YES!!
Again your playing a game that you like and you want to last correct?? Then you can not expect instant gratification without effort. If every could run around with full legendary gear and hit for 4000+ damage , and tank 10-20mobs and get all the drops they want ... would you want to play the game forever? Show me a DK or a ranger that can pull 50+ mobs in Slifmoor or Prison of Souls and never use a heal or any potion to kill them all.. Spellweavers can do this with ease if the person doing it completely knows how to play their character. Myself and others have even killed multple players who tried attacking us as a spellweaver while already having these large packs of monsters chasing you. Every players skill level will affect how the game plays out for the individual but if people think the class is so worthless or underpowered I'd love to know why i still see on average twice as many Spellweavers running around as DK & rangers in nearly every zone i enter.
Before edit i had my current gear stats posted which were lvl 20+ purple gear items. So i fixed those so people didnt think i was crazy on the #'s =).
Knightofyourlife
26.01.2012, 22:40
100% right, apart from the ranger bit, i think they are a lot harder now.
I play an SW, at the moment lvl30, i can not keep up with the party I am in. I know I am not a bad player because I do a lot better than a lot of Other SW's.
I plan to post a large post on how to fix SW, but the big problem is, if they where to try and fix SW by removing the mana drain problem then SW would be far to powerfull. this is a cripple for a good reason
Any one that says SW is not broke needs to play one, and if they say they do, then sorry i do not belive any one that claims that they play a SW but do not understand how broken they are.
Have fun
Knightofyourlife
-Blueberry-
26.01.2012, 23:19
100% right, apart from the ranger bit, i think they are a lot harder now.
I play an SW, at the moment lvl30, i can not keep up with the party I am in. I know I am not a bad player because I do a lot better than a lot of Other SW's.
I plan to post a large post on how to fix SW, but the big problem is, if they where to try and fix SW by removing the mana drain problem then SW would be far to powerfull. this is a cripple for a good reason
Any one that says SW is not broke needs to play one, and if they say they do, then sorry i do not belive any one that claims that they play a SW but do not understand how broken they are.
Have fun
Knightofyourlife
It's really difficult to make an objective assessment right now.
I'm actually getting the feeling the 3 classes are balanced right now.
If you watch and compare a pay to play spellweaver, dragonknight, ranger, they are all pretty awesome.
If you play against those, with a free to play character, you will have a hard time, it's that simple.
A spellweaver is a lot of fun to play right now, and is challenging, but I don't feel out of my depth in anyway, I'm completely involved and competitive in all aspects of the game.
Knightofyourlife
27.01.2012, 05:55
I Do not think it is difficult to make an objective assessment, I could not until I started playing the other classes,
I do not playfree, I have spent loads more on my SW, but I do not feel the need to by as much for my ranger as I do for the SW, and he is still not what he should be and the ranger is fine.
Wile the other classes are always able to do some thing the SW spends most of his time running away.
Most of the SW's I know in game say the same as I do or I have not spoken to them about it, but to be honest they spend far more time playing there other classes than the SW, I wonder why?
I get a lot of new (to be fair I am new but I have a lvl 30 SW so I get spoken to as though I have been at this longer than I have) players asking me where there power is and why are the other two classes so much harder than them. I do not want to put people off from playing this class so I tell them they are the ultimate backup and to hide behind cover and hit the monsters with Meteor and lightning, That is how I play, and Its the only way I have found that works. the other things you can do is run around dropping Meteor behind you and with some luck you will do some damage.
You can also try and use your self as a target, drop a meteor on your own head and teleport when the monsters get to you but all of this is holo game play because I have to run out of combat after that and watch the other party finnish off what my class dose not have the power to finnish them selves in a time frame that is good for the rest of the party. all in all I solo most of the Time because working with the other classes that are capable of so much more is quite frankly depressing. but the main reason why I solo is because the other classes just see the light show, They think the SW are balanced with there class and when they Have to back away (as every one has to at some point)they back away towards the SW because we are hiding in cover (or we are hiding behind them) where they want to be for a little bit and the monsters follow them and the SW will die, Not the ranger or the knight because they can handle it and the SW can not.
As far as the SW go's there bark is by far worse than there bite
Have Fun
Knightofyourlife
DSO is a work in progress. In fact, if you have not already done so, read the last section of Release R039 (http://en.board.bigpoint.com/drasaonline/showthread.php?t=418316). The developers have short-terms goals of fixing bugs, and long-term plans.
As a multi-character player, I see strengths and weaknesses in all classes. And that's how it should be. It's not so much the class as the playing style. That's what Role Playing is all about. It's not about being the strongest or the highest level, it's the enjoyment of the action and the friends you make along the way.
Based on the number of posts some of you make, we need to recognize that for many, the social connectivity on these boards are almost as enjoyable as playing the game. That's why I became a Mod. Both give pleasure. So select your style, your class, give other classes and styles a try. Simply put: enjoy.
sboisselle
27.01.2012, 15:03
I'm actually getting the feeling the 3 classes are balanced right now.
Completely agree Blueberry.
Knight as for your assumption that anyone who doesnt see how "broken" SW is doesnt play one. I play my SW four times as much as my DK or Ranger, I solo harder areas earlier, I get at least 2-3 times as many drops in the same hunting time due to kiting, and my damage output makes similarly equipped DK/Ranger look like a joke. That being said I am not a cash player and there maybe an imbalance in gear comparissons from the pay shop between the 3 but that does not make the class flawed or unbalanced it would then be a gear issue if there is one at all. And i'm pretty sure that the people i kill on Balor with my mage when its 2 , 3 or 4 of them against me
or when they are 5-7 levels above me would agree.
SW players complain they're too squishy or their damage isnt enough ... Talk to the best mages and see what they say.
Rangers complain they cant nuke like a mage and thier damage sux.. Talk to the players excelling with ranger and hitting 1k+ damage precision shot in the 20-30 ranges
DK's i dunno what they complain about but if you look at it all its because everyone wants to do what another class does and not what their class is built for. If you want their abilities play the other class, if you dont like your current character play a different class .. if you want a character that runs in god mode and can do everything you want go play a game with cheat codes that will let you do that.
Mages hp is uber low all those ents tree hit 100% and when there are 3or more i dye and how do you expect me to kill boss ent im lvl24 and i hawe to kill him with revive and use 120anderments. And i hawe so much healt orbs aroud if i wont hawe them i wont make it rly *EDIT* this buff his hp or armor bonus from clotes. I cant play him any more cuze its up allot
sboisselle
29.01.2012, 17:03
Mages hp is uber low all those ents tree hit 100% and when there are 3or more i dye and how do you expect me to kill boss ent im lvl24 and i hawe to kill him with revive and use 120anderments. And i hawe so much healt orbs aroud if i wont hawe them i wont make it rly *EDIT* this buff his hp or armor bonus from clotes. I cant play him any more cuze its up allot
Mages hp is supposed to be low otherwise you wouldnt be a mage. Not to mention you gain more HP per level than you do Mana. As far as the bosses in Rootrock cavern you cant stand there and let them hit you your a mage. Clear the area of all other monsters and then use Ice Bolt to slow thier attack and movement, bolt them from out of their rooting range then firebolt them when they are stunned. Blue essences will save you a ton of time in the killing process if your not using them. If you know how to play your class you should only very very rarely be getting hit by them.
If you dont like the class then dont play it. Spellweavers ARE NOT underpowered!! Your not supposed to have 3000 HP and 3000 Armor your not a DK and your not a ranger your a mage. If you cant solo it ask someone for help but dont complain cause you cant play the class you chose. If you think Mages are underpowered I suggest you check the PVP daily honor gains of Spellweavers on Balor. 8000-40000 a day.
If you need more armor points find armor that has larger armor buffs, if you need more health find ones that boost it. The devs dont need to buff the class the players need to learn what equipment they need and stop whining about what they as an individual cant do.
NaughtyOne2
29.01.2012, 19:13
Statistics seem to not be in your favor, look at the hall of fame, clearly shows that spell-weavers are not having any problems.
Mages hp is supposed to be low otherwise you wouldnt be a mage. Not to mention you gain more HP per level than you do Mana. As far as the bosses in Rootrock cavern you cant stand there and let them hit you your a mage. Clear the area of all other monsters and then use Ice Bolt to slow thier attack and movement, bolt them from out of their rooting range then firebolt them when they are stunned. Blue essences will save you a ton of time in the killing process if your not using them. If you know how to play your class you should only very very rarely be getting hit by them.
If you dont like the class then dont play it. Spellweavers ARE NOT underpowered!! Your not supposed to have 3000 HP and 3000 Armor your not a DK and your not a ranger your a mage. If you cant solo it ask someone for help but dont complain cause you cant play the class you chose. If you think Mages are underpowered I suggest you check the PVP daily honor gains of Spellweavers on Balor. 8000-40000 a day.
If you need more armor points find armor that has larger armor buffs, if you need more health find ones that boost it. The devs dont need to buff the class the players need to learn what equipment they need and stop whining about what they as an individual cant do.
Dude i use all that still he do 450 dmg that mean one hit and im dead. Yes it easy when im in party buth solo you cant do that all by yourself. No room to blink no room to roam and geth hit by those ents 100%. Dont have such problem with archers you can doge ther arrows np. Bud if you make boos make it that way that all classes can kill him. And im not saying that give me armor give me hp make some shiled buff or somting like that so its balanced pve.
sboisselle
29.01.2012, 22:27
Like i said before suxoko it is easily soloable. You just dont have the right gear to do it or your not doing exactly what i said above. I have solo'd every part of the game and all bosses except Khaly & Sig. I could solo Prison of Souls and Liar's Lair on Difficult (lvl 37-40 with dragons) at lvl 31. Was it hard? Hell yeah but thats the fun part. People wouldnt play the game if there were no challenges. Every class has its strengths and weaknesses and Rootrock cavern can be a real pain for mages if they dont know what they are doing. If you think thats bad wait til you hit Torstrond and have 20-40 Norsemen using DK charge on you.. You have to learn to adapt and adjust or switch gears if needed. If your in the mid 20's and only have 450 health you obviously have no health bonuses on your gear or have gear not suitable for your level. I was taking 480-540 damage from the one boss there and had no problems soloing him exactly how i described above. Your spells have more range than his do. If you are getting in range to be hit you need to practice and learn the range of your spells.
Extra-ordinary gear in that level range can easily provide 100+ armor or +50-90 health which you should have at least a couple pieces of by this point if you've been farming and not just power levelling. If you've been jsut rushing through everything for xp and not farming drops you've most likely not gotten the gear you should by now which is why your dieing. Learn to farm this stuff now man cause when you get to the Norselands and beyond if you've gimped on your gear your gonna die and die alot.
Like i said before suxoko it is easily soloable. You just dont have the right gear to do it or your not doing exactly what i said above. I have solo'd every part of the game and all bosses except Khaly & Sig. I could solo Prison of Souls and Liar's Lair on Difficult (lvl 37-40 with dragons) at lvl 31. Was it hard? Hell yeah but thats the fun part. People wouldnt play the game if there were no challenges. Every class has its strengths and weaknesses and Rootrock cavern can be a real pain for mages if they dont know what they are doing. If you think thats bad wait til you hit Torstrond and have 20-40 Norsemen using DK charge on you.. You have to learn to adapt and adjust or switch gears if needed. If your in the mid 20's and only have 450 health you obviously have no health bonuses on your gear or have gear not suitable for your level. I was taking 480-540 damage from the one boss there and had no problems soloing him exactly how i described above. Your spells have more range than his do. If you are getting in range to be hit you need to practice and learn the range of your spells.
Extra-ordinary gear in that level range can easily provide 100+ armor or +50-90 health which you should have at least a couple pieces of by this point if you've been farming and not just power levelling. If you've been jsut rushing through everything for xp and not farming drops you've most likely not gotten the gear you should by now which is why your dieing. Learn to farm this stuff now man cause when you get to the Norselands and beyond if you've gimped on your gear your gonna die and die alot.
Its easy to say switch gear and all i can do that if i pay for a game idk how much 200€. Edited Lvl 24 750 hp 120 armor. I cant buy any stone of truth any more. You know it cost 400 andermant for 100 stones and that is expensive. And you need to collect green items then transfer them have only 2 legendary and they are expensive to reveal. And my inventory is not so big only first expansion second is 10€ and that is crazy. Id rather then go play wow and pay for it cuze its cheaper. Y one item to reveal is 2€ min and till lvl 40 there are allot of items + health elixir 10 cost 0.75€ and there are no health potions. Its easy if you are rich np i will spend some money for creators of the game. (and i will spend it buth not so much! Calculate how much is if you pay 5€ per month and how much you geth for that money. Ofc with money you can do all alone with under lvl.
sboisselle
30.01.2012, 04:33
Sorry if this gets a little off topic but maybe it will clear up stuff here so we can have better feedback about Spellweavers.
Suxoko ,Your first mistake is assuming that spending money is gonna make you a better player. Either you are good or you aren't , money only lets you get items faster it will NEVER EVER change the type of player a person is. You may become a good SW or you may not it depends on your ability and willingness to learn the class.
If you want to wear legendary at low levels you have two choices
1. Spend real life money
2. Farm your butt off for CoT & Keys
In the 20's you should have alot more than 100 and something armor. Your equipping the wrong gear. Just because an item is Magic or Extraordinary DOES NOT make it better than an improved. Yes it has more enchantments but if those enchantments suck the piece is worthless. Level 22 extraordinary shoulder pads alone can have 120+ armor by itself but it could also have no armor boost on it. Like i said in the last 2 posts you have to wear the right stuff. If your using a Staff try switching to a wand and get and Orb or Heredur's Fortune (drops from King Heredur) that will double you armor right there and speed up your attack. While the damage is lower you are also taking alot less damage.
As far as needing to farm tons of greens and all that .. That depends on your luck with drops. Catacombs and Kings Crypt in Kingshill have plenty of Extraordinary drops but you have to run it sometimes many many times.
You do not need legendary gear at low levels to solo or be good at PvP. Can it help ? Sometimes yes and sometimes no. My SW is currently lvl 33 and has never worn a legendary item and until lvl 30 only had 4 extraordinary pieces. I spent no money for any of it. I farmed my CoT and andermant. At lvl 29 i spent $20 and used most of that on 300% essences for PvP and higher area farming than where i shoulda been. I'm just now almost full extraordinary and can solo all the zones my level and most zones above my level (havent tried them all yet =) )
As far as inventory space you can easily have 1600 adermant from doing quests and hunting for the 1st expansion by lvl 20 or so, not that you need it at that point. I didnt unlock that til lvl 29 and I carried everything i needed. You have to pick and choose what to take not just carry every piece of junk around with you. Necklaces = most value, Rings are second most. Keep your quest items to a minimum and turn them in as soon as your finished.
If you need more info on gearing or farming or leveling check posts in the Newbie area or start a post in the spellweaver forum asking for suggestions. While you are posting on this thread because you think SW's are weak by the info you've given you've shown that the problem is with your gear, choices of items, or play style not with the class.
Knightofyourlife
31.01.2012, 02:57
No one has Shown problems are with gear, there are bosses that can not be done with an SW party but can be done with DK party. That is enough to say the classes are out of balance,
Add to this the fact that the other classes are never in a situation where they can do nothing apart from run away.
The Sw has no free attacks, the other two classes have a free hand to had attack or a hand to hand attack that dose not impede other actions.
At lvl 19 my ranger had an equal HP to my SW who was lvl 29 at the time and the SW had more real cash spent on equipment, and the final point I will make here and now, A moderator of this site posted strate after me pointing out this game is beta and there are more skills to add.
Knightofyourlife
PS thank you to the moderation team for steping in and putting my mind at ease that the SW's have not been forgotten.
And what do you want? Spellwaver with high criticals, with defence and HP of knights and mana regen of rangers? You want SW with all advantages of all classes and kill bosses alone? Dont say nonsence. Your suggest can make SW overpowered and all classes disbalanced.
PS thank you to the moderation team for steping in and putting my mind at ease that the SW's have not been forgotten.
No class is "forgotten". Game is developing, new skills are announced. Thoughts from you as beta testers is collected as useful feedback for making this game more balanced and polished. Thank you all for good work!
Just one note to posters:
Please don't quote whole text you respond to, keep it clean and keep discussion on civil level. Everyone has a right to express his opinion on the class, and there's no need to desperately persuade anyone wrong. Opinions differ as players or their gaming style differ, and that will never change... but make your opinion constructive with decent argument/example included and it should do the trick.
Looking forward to read more on this!
=VaL=
Knightofyourlife
01.02.2012, 02:36
100% right, apart from the ranger bit, i think they are a lot harder now.
I play an SW, at the moment lvl30, i can not keep up with the party I am in. I know I am not a bad player because I do a lot better than a lot of Other SW's.
I plan to post a large post on how to fix SW, but the big problem is, if they where to try and fix SW by removing the mana drain problem then SW would be far to powerfull. this is a cripple for a good reason
Any one that says SW is not broke needs to play one, and if they say they do, then sorry i do not belive any one that claims that they play a SW but do not understand how broken they are.
Have fun
Knightofyourlife
QUOTE Belinor
And what do you want? Spellwaver with high criticals, with defence and HP of knights and mana regen of rangers? You want SW with all advantages of all classes and kill bosses alone? Dont say nonsence. Your suggest can make SW overpowered and all classes disbalanced.
I will answer the Question And what do you want? easily
For Spellweaver to equal the other two classes,
You say Your suggest can make SW overpowered and all classes disbalanced.
so its ok for just SW to be puny disbalanced,
Kill Bosses alone!!, all classes should be able to kill Bosses alone or no classes should be able to kill bosses alone. I have never asked for superpowers over the other classess.
I have not asked for SW to match DK HP or Regane of mana as fast as ranger.
But saying that why can you not have an SW that is trained to take blows, after all to me they are not the warlocks they should be. I know lots of very smart people that go down the gym, thats right high IQ's and a fit hard as nails body.
Infact I dont think the way SW's cast magic should be changed as you can see I have already stated that I think this would make SW to powerfull.
SW spend more time worrying about there mana pool than playing the game, this would not be a problem if like the other classes the SW had a free hand2hand attack then he/she would get stuck in when there mana runs out, just as the other two classes can.
Has any one come across the expression have-a-go-hero? If an old age pensioner
Can clout a mugger around the head and hand him over to the cops, a wizard can clout a viking around the head with his staff. or why not stab him with an athame or sword,
I do not see why a SW can not have H2H weapons.
If a mage can do this then at least they can go down swinging rather than just standing there and dieing in a rather non satisfying way.
Going back to the mana problem that SW's have. I deal with this ow well, I will not ask for that to change. but think about this, if its ok for this to be the model for SW why not the other to classes if it's good for the goose it's good for the gander.
How about rage pots for DK no more attack refill you have to buy pots of rage and have the same potion cool down as SW. How about concentration pot for the ranger, you have all the lovely fun of the SW, A clock to watch, the big hand go's all the way round and untill then you have to stand there, opps sorry I mean QUICK QUICK RUN AWAY THERE IS NOTHING I CAN DO.
It is getting me down that some people are actually arguing that this is some how ok!!!!
The SW have got a ruff deal, its easy to steal kills from them, they pay silver for there mana and spend pots of it to kill a harder monster, and just before the SW take's his well
earned exp an arrow comes out of the trees and steals it, it is also accompanied by a Knocking sound, when a SW hears this he knows all his/her efforts are wasted.
At high lvl's its easy to PVP SW's for all that lovely honor points,
Just by lots of polished diamonds, Good by spellweave Hello ubber items.
No wonder there seems to be lots of people pretending that SW is balenced
this is why I say I do not belive any one that claims that they play an SW but do not understand how broken they are.
Now some people my think that is not at all fair, and for the people that really do not understand what I am saying then I am sorry that I have offended you, and I really do mean that.
But the people that are doing this will know I Have hit the nail on the head and they will pretend that what I am saying is not true.
Knightofyourlife
sboisselle
01.02.2012, 14:26
QUOTE Belinor
Kill Bosses alone!!, all classes should be able to kill Bosses alone or no classes should be able to kill bosses alone. I have never asked for superpowers over the other classess.
Let's get this straight first and formost:
YOU ARE NOT A Edited TANK!! YOU SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO TANK A BOSS!!
My Sw's are all higher level than your's Knight and to say we are gimped because a bunch of people who think a mage should be a tank and not a mage is shear stupidity. DK's can't stand behind walls and corners and kill stuff can they? SW's can, Rangers can.. So by your logic DK's are now shafted because they have to fight toe to toe. If you spent the money you said you have on your SW yet you are weak you either are lieing about spending the money or you cant play a mage.
I have not asked for SW to match DK HP or Regane of mana as fast as ranger.
But saying that why can you not have an SW that is trained to take blows,
SW's can take blows. I stand toe to toe with players and most monsters with no problem. If you cant take a hit its cause you are wearing armor/weapons that arent for taking blows. Just like the last guy that was complaining about dieing in his mid 20's levels while he had 120 armor.. You can have that at level 10 and dont say you cant cause i can post screen shots showing more than that. At lvl 30 if you want to be able to take tanking damage and not die you should have 600 or more armor Knight if you dont have that then thats your fault. Its not cause the class is weak, or they cant take a hit .. its because players dont want to think at all they just wanna be spoon fed everything. My lvl 33 mage continues to solo everything, I've taken out entire groups of players who tried attacking me who are ranked at seasoned legionairre or above and I did it while mainly standing in one spot.
this would not be a problem if like the other classes the SW had a free hand2hand attack
Its not free attacks. Especially not how you described in your last post. DK's have 0 rage to start so they need a base attack thus sword swing. Rangers have hunting arrow which IS NOT FREE it costs concentration to use but the regen of concentration is fast enough that it will not deplete a ranger unless they are using other skills. Like I've said before in like 4 posts the mana cost of basic attacks is high cause we are the only class that can be unable to do anything even if you just use your base wand attack. However, if you have been farming mana pots and saving elixir drops for main battles you shouldnt have this problem often. Make different spell choices when casting to save mana. Not saying your one of these people but i know 80% of the mages you see solo farming are just whipping around fireballs endlessly til a monster dies then they complain they are out of mana. While people like that are out of mana killing 1 monster , im kiting 30,40 or more monsters using meteor strike and never coming close to being out of power. Show me a lvl 20 DK that can pull an entire section of Wildherz in slifmoor and not heal in any manner.
I do not see why a SW can not have H2H weapons.
[quote=Knightofyourlife;2466269]
BECAUSE YOUR A MAGE!! Stop trying to make spellcasters into some hybrid piece of junk. You do massive damage at far ranges and have spells to protect you from close range issuses (Frost nova, Ice Bolt).
[quote=Knightofyourlife;2466269]
How about rage pots for DK no more attack refill you have to buy pots of rage and have the same potion cool down as SW. How about concentration pot for the ranger, you have all the lovely fun of the SW
Ok so your saying now that SW should lose all their mana regen? Your complaining about mana but your saying stop everyone except mages from having a regen yet your saying you want balance... I dont think so. There are 2 forms of mana potions that drop .. the potion (Regen over time) , the elixir (instant fill of points). Mana potions drop like water, Elixirs can be a pain to get but they are also a cash shop item so of course the drop rate will be lower but you can still get enough of them. DK rage pots drop like total crap I think ive gotten 2 in 32 levels. And you want rangers to need pots for any regen also.. Gee why dont we just ask Devs if SW can gain 200 health , 500 mana , and 1000 armor a level cause essentially you may as well be asking for that if your not seeing how you ABSOLUTELY are asking for Mages to be overpowered.
The SW have got a ruff deal, its easy to steal kills from them, they pay silver for there mana and spend pots of it to kill a harder monster,
#1 If your buying mana pots somethings wrong. The only time you should be running out of them is if your doing arena, open pvp, or if your pushing through areas that the monsters are alot stronger than you and making NO EFFORT to farm the pots.
#2 Dont even act like this only happens to SW. Read the suggestions forums and see how DK's and Rangers complain about the same thing when a Ranger or SW steals kills from them. It has nothing to do with SW being over or underpowered its appears as a flaw in the design which guess what we're still in beta its not gonna be perfect.
At high lvl's its easy to PVP SW's for all that lovely honor points,
Just by lots of polished diamonds, Good by spellweave Hello ubber items.
As posted before knight you dont need to spend a single penny on this or any other game to be good at them. If you think low level or high level PvP is hard for an SW you must be smoking something. At low levels DK's havent hit thier massive armor, resists and hP yet, rangers damage is still easily manageable unless they are using 300% essences and your using 100%. As far as high lvl PvP being all cash players guess again I have spent 0 cash on gearing and only $20 one time on the game for 300% essences for Arena cause everyone that day was using them. And if your saying mages get owned at high level Arena I'll tell you the same thing i told suxoko go to Balor PvP /honor standings and show me where mages are being destroyed. I openly pvp on Balor and have done so since lvl 4. I have consistently killed people higher levels than me , much higher pvp rank than me, and CASH players. IF you think that i dont know what im talking about or that I dont play a SW come to Balor , make a DK or a Ranger level it up to 30-35 and send me a message. If we're using similar gearing and same essences I guarantee I will jack your ranger/dk in 1 on 1 pvp Knight so come prove me wrong my IGN is Antichrist Level 33 SW on Balor.
And btw your previous comment about a Mod posting right after you that the game is still in Beta and more skills are to come proves absolutely nothing. There are more skills to come for EVERY CLASS not just SW. He did not say oh Your right SW's are total Edited sorry you cant play right now. He's doing his job acknowledging your posts so people know that BP pays attention to whats going on in these forums and actually reads the posts.
Knightofyourlife
01.02.2012, 20:32
Quote:
Originally Posted by Knightofyourlife
Kill Bosses alone!!, all classes should be able to kill Bosses alone or no classes should be able to kill bosses alone. I have never asked for superpowers over the other classess.
Quote sboisselle Let's get this straight first and formost:
YOU ARE NOT A Edited TANK!! YOU SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO TANK A BOSS!!
My Sw's are all higher level than your's Knight and to say we are gimped because a bunch of people who think a mage should be a tank and not a mage is shear stupidity. DK's can't stand behind walls and corners and kill stuff can they? SW's can, Rangers can.. So by your logic DK's are now shafted because they have to fight toe to toe. If you spent the money you said you have on your SW yet you are weak you either are lieing about spending the money or you cant play a mage.
Who said any thing about being a tank?
The statement I made 'all classes should be able to kill Bosses alone or no classes should be able to kill bosses alone stands and is a truism
That will never change'
How is it by my logic that DK's are shafted? they have hp of 3k in a lot of cases at high lvl's, I do not think this is wrong that is what they are I am not asking for any of the other classes to be harmed in any way, then you say i can not play a mage because I point out there problems.
For a start off I have no problems playing a mage, and I am one of the few from my in game experience, it is the SW's that die, I do not see the other classes dieing like fly's, the only reason I dont get killed offen is because I have learned that as an SW you can not afford to be hit offen, it is a class of avoidance, this is fine as long as you can avoid the bosses, but you can not, there is no place to hide and hit with meteor, you need to be a tank to do bosses, that is what is wrong that is one of the reasons why the SW is out of balance.
If a DK can tank a boss an SW should be able to kill the boss as well but in a diffrent way. you call this stupidity??
If you are playing an avoidance class with no problems,fine then great for you, but i am sick and tired of SW's in game asking how to play because they see me wizzing allover the place killing any thing in my path, as soon as you tell them this is an avoidance class they start a new character and guess what its not an SW. I have not said that I am weak, but that its not what it should be, I dont think my SW is weak because I always play avoidance even if I am playing a tank character, I am not here for my self I am here for my class. Wy should SW only be accessible to us,
why not all players, you have also cherry picked my last post so that you do not cover all the real points, so I am going to cherry pick your post because most people will I beleve understand the points in the last mail that I have made.
Knightofyourlife
It would be a shame if this thread is closed because of personal friction. Be nice.
sboisselle
01.02.2012, 23:25
Sorry if it seemed i was making it personal cause I truly didnt mean to come off that way. Point here is that at least 80% of the posts in all 3 class underpowered remarks the people making the post aren't looking out at what is being said to them constructively to achieve the goals they are looking for. They want to do what one of the other classes does, but they dont want to play that class. They want other classes to have their weakness but they dont think they should assume some other weakness also.
Saying that it is unfair that a DK can take hits that a SW cant is just silly. If you want to be a true tank you need to play a DK end of story and thats how it should be. I dont see DK's being able to hit 1000-3000 damage in a single shot without some major essences & end game legendary. SW is doing that as soon as they get a decent weapon and blue essences.
Knight your logic is flawed in you only see the weakness of the class your playing and not the power it holds. You compare it to the strengths of other classes and further diminish your own class in your eyes instead of seeing it objectively. Would you be happier if SW could tank bosses but DK's also had a 2000 damage attack that they could smack you with ? Of course not because then they would have your strength which you dont want them to have BUT you want theirs... See the point yet?
As far as the potions its the same thing in your comparrison.. Are you going to give up normal Mana potions and only be able to try to get elixirs that drop as rare a Rage Elixirs do, and also have no normal mana regen. We all know that no SW would go for that but you want those type of restrictions imposed against everyone else. And you want the ability to wield a sword... Lets sum it all up nice and clear - You want to wield a sword, be able to tank, and never be out of mana.... In other words you want to be a DK not a SW
sboisselle
01.02.2012, 23:33
Btw knight I wasnt cherry picking your post. I only quoted the most direct point of a section that i was addressing and elaborated on the entire section of your post. As per mods to not quote entire texts.
Just one note to posters:
Please don't quote whole text you respond to
=VaL=
I agree with sboiselle.
@Knightofyourlife
If you have really bought Andermant you should be able to RULE pvp. Like I do hehe :)
But I think you are lying or you spent your andermant in useless items.
Also, at lower levels SW is the best character in both pvp and pve.
If you dont buy any Andermant SW is the best character all the way to lvl 40.
And SW should not be able to tank otherwise DK would become even more useless as they already are now.
I don't understand half of the things you have mentioned there - BUT as a real newby to these games, I have to agree that I seem to die far more often than my groupmates. I run around like a headless chicken while they're killing stuff. And I STILL die! I'm lvl 25 now and I was hoping for a bit more ooomph, but seem to be dying even more quickly. I think I'm gonna start again as a knight and see how I get on...............:(
A few hours later............... Dragonknights are MUCH more fun, I'm lvl 12 in a fraction of the time it took me as a SW and I am not dying anywhere near as quickly. Much happier now - perhaps I just don't have what it takes to wield magic?
Honestly I think the SW have a better chance in a pvp battle that a DK. Mana regeneration is fast enough you just have to work with your character more and use the skills in a strategic way. That's what I like a bout this game. Its hard to level up on certain levels. It makes the game more fun and competitive. Most of my guild feels the same way.
-Lethal
Ubermann
17.02.2012, 13:55
i'm realy tired becouse of the weaknes of this noobweares. i'm level 35 and i can't fight alone, can't kill dragons, can't kill enemy without pain. i'm getting nervous becouse of this dissbalance. dragonwariors are killing enemys without pain and without movements they just clickint left click and it's done. when i should run, dodge attacks, and becouse i'm moving i'm attacking all the time different enemy(they are dodging each others attacks) so to kill one enemy it tooks too much time from me. OK WE GOT CRIT CHANCE BUT WHO? DRAGON WARRIORS HAVE 30%-50% BETTER DAMAGE WEAPONS + THEIRE MAGIC SKILLS DOES MORE DAMAGE. AND BOTH SKILL AND WEAPONS MAKING HIGH DAMAGE AGAINST ENEMY. i have almost ALMOST ALL PINK ITEMS AND MY ARMOR AND BLOCK VALUE % is 2 TIMES SMALL THEN AT THE SAME LEVEL HAVE DRAGON WARRIORS. [BLAH][BLAH][BLAH][BLAH][BLAH]
Mages are not weak. Just learn how to play them.
If you want to play using your brain instead only your eyes, then play mage. otherwise, play knight.
The same could be said about hunters.
I'm sure you are the typical guy that get pwned in arena because you only spam skills.
Learn to use your nukes, learn to predict other player's movements/attack, learn to avoid damage, learn to use teleport and then you will own everyone in arena, basically becuz you will be untouchable.
Mages are OVERPOWERED if played correctly (and i'm a mage).
firefury99
17.02.2012, 14:51
spellware have the best skills, that makes up with slow xp:mad:
Imatwink
19.02.2012, 21:13
spellware have the best skills, that makes up with slow xp:mad:
If your level 20+ xp for spellweaver is easy just grab a screen full of monsters and meteor strike away , rinse and repeat. Of course once you get to your upper 30's it all seems slow cause of how much xp you need per level but that is to be expected. Lower levels the rate of gain will be determined by how well equipped you have become, the better your items obviously the faster you can kill and the higher the areas you can hunt.
Imatwink
19.02.2012, 21:15
A few hours later............... Dragonknights are MUCH more fun, I'm lvl 12 in a fraction of the time it took me as a SW and I am not dying anywhere near as quickly. Much happier now - perhaps I just don't have what it takes to wield magic?
glad to see you found your niche Kergo. Spellweaver isn't a class everyone can play nor is DK or RA. You just have to find what suits you and your playstyle best and go with it =).
muthsmoke
21.02.2012, 14:49
Spell Weavers take a greater experience level to master, dragon knights are great especially for people new to this style of a game, if you are a seasoned veteran and have great hand eye coordination, the spell weaver is very devastating. You really cannot knock the spell weaver until you can say you've mastered the spell weaver. :D
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