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hello everyone was reading another thread in another section of the forums and seen it was suggested to post it here.. As you all know that everyone hits equal now and the problem is the noobs in elite subs probably full elite or event and have seals and hide behind them for pvp. I think bp should get rid of the protective seals now since everyone is equal in hit power and level don't mean anything. And yes i know some people will argue about this but i do have other subs in the water that are noob subs with seals myself but this is a war game and this hiding behind protective seals has to stop.. I'm seen so many lvl 6;s to 10 with silver diamonds and they hunt in packs like the high lvls do but they have the seals to have first shot advantage before the victim can shoot back and add 3 or 4 other low lvl elite subs with seals = unfair advantage for the rest of deepolis... You need to get rid of them seals or make it so they can shoot fish's only as long as they have the seals. Either way something has to be done about this.. My 2 cents worth now lets see who agrees and who will argue the fact :p
MacAttackIsBack92
17.11.2011, 08:35
I completely agree! Make it so under the seal you have complete protection... you cannot shoot or be shot by a player. I don't know anything about coding and all the things it takes to make a game but it would seem like it would be easy to change the code to that since a form of it already exists.
wleggett007
18.11.2011, 12:22
protective seals should be allowed, but if the player gets an elite sub, the seal should be terminated....
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FFA-scion-leader
19.11.2011, 01:18
protective seals should be allowed, but if the player gets an elite sub, the seal should be terminated....
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yes i think they should be allowed too even on elite subs but if you have a seal then you shouldn't be able to pvp until lvl 16 only kill fish's so i agree with my partner nash-fa and with macattackisback..
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]War_Horseman[-[TWS]
19.11.2011, 01:18
I think that the best thing would be that higher levels had powerfull shots than the lower level's because like I said in the other thread we all have spent alot of time and hélix to level up, but if they don't do that, then the best would be that players whit seal simply couldn't shoot. If they hide behind it, then they shouldn't be able to shoot.
MacAttackIsBack92
19.11.2011, 08:10
Or they could just give us back ep... the people using the protective shields would think twice about shooting high lvls for fear of lvling up.
As indicated in an earlier post, a protective seal cannot be applied to ANY elite boat. The seals can only be applied to a Cel boat. Once you purchase and use an elite boat you lose your protective seal, permanently; regardless of level. End of problem.
You can have and use an Elite boat, but there wouldn't be any protection for it simply because it isn't a low level or entry level boat. If you are brave or rich enough to have one then you have no need of a protective seal. period !!
As indicated in an earlier post, a protective seal cannot be applied to ANY elite boat. The seals can only be applied to a Cel boat. Once you purchase and use an elite boat you lose your protective seal, permanently; regardless of level. End of problem.
You can have and use an Elite boat, but there wouldn't be any protection for it simply because it isn't a low level or entry level boat. If you are brave or rich enough to have one then you have no need of a protective seal. period !!
thats not true my friend :) i had a elite boat lvl 10 at one time that was elite sub and protective seal and i see loads of elite subs lvls 6 to 15 with seals. If what you say is true then the seals i see must be a glitch??
update:: i asked blackstone in global chat about this and was told that the seal only expires at lvl 16 or there in battle zone and we all know if they shoot first then we can shoot back but its too late by then....
MacAttackIsBack92
21.11.2011, 06:00
Baaloch meant as a update or change in the protective system... not the current :)
Baaloch meant as a update or change in the protective system... not the current :)
Sorry about the misunderstanding Nash, what I had meant was exactly as Mac says.
What I had meant was that a protective seal and an elite boat should be mutually exclusive, including the X class and Skonos. Any Helix boat should be denied the protection of a protective seal simply because it IS an advanced boat.
If you pays your money then you takes your chances, just like the rest of us.
ahh kk srry baaloch :) its all good lol and yes hopefully it actually does go the way you say with new changes coming up
Yet another idea im going to have to agree with, Im sick fo being shot at my FullElite subs hiding under seals. Sort it out lol :L
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Joshyy4
ahh kk srry baaloch :) its all good lol and yes hopefully it actually does go the way you say with new changes coming up
Not a problem Nash, I still believe that this should have been dealt with when they introduced the protective seal. I truly believe that ANY Helix boats should have been excluded. Yes, I know you can win one at the marina, but I think we are all aware that those that are hunting are mostly VISA boats and not new players starting out with a win at the marina. 'nuff said. :)
flybynav
23.11.2011, 15:26
Anyone who gets slighted complains.
Before under the old system when high level players shot low level players to take EP (mainly because the high level players were lazy and the low level subs were "easy pickings") the low level players complained that they couldn't level due to the lop sided advantage the higher levels had. BP listened and changed the game.
Now the high levels are complaining that they've lost their advantage.
This IS a war game. War is waged to bring your advantage down on your enemy for the sole purpose of winning. This includes any tactics that may work to your advantage. Don't blame the noobs for figuring out how to beat you high level subs at your own game. How soon we've forgotten about some clans manipulatively controlling the Honey Hole to artificially level up faster than their peers: The faster you could level up the faster you could increase your Hit Power and have an advantage in battle. That was a tactic. I didn't like the HH tactic, but since it was available - those that could manipulate it did so to an extreme. They also justified it as being okay because they could. Tactics.
From the beginning to now, a proven tactic was to hunt in packs. This gave the hunters a numerical advantage. What's the difference? The noobs are exploiting an available tactic and hunting in packs. The large war clans would drive around the ocean (most being high levels) and would decimate anything in their path - regardless. The smart victims knew better than to complain as the standard answer is, "It's a war game, get over it!" with an additional KOS on the biggest complainers. Conversely, none of the high level subs complained when two or three subs ambushed them and sunk them in the past. Maybe a remark in Global about how that's the only way they could be sunk (which was mostly true!) but never " that was unfair." Okay, the dynamics have changed. It's time for the high level sub commander's to take their own advice and develop counter-tactics and quit complaining.
I was a noob that got sunk a lot by very high level subs. That was frustrating. I'm now leveled up a bit and frankly find it amusing that I can hit at the same level as a level 180. I've been sunk by noobs with Shields. I don't find it frustrating at all. But I have to adjust my defense. You can too.
To a point I have to agree Flybynav. However, the ability to navigate around the main map with impunity UNTIL you attack was never available to so called "high level players". Anyone in an elite boat expects to be attacked by "wolf packs"; as I said in an earlier post, " ya pays yer money and ya takes yer chances". I stand by that. NOW however, in my opinion, experienced players are starting new accounts, buying event items to equip an event level boat and are staying deliberately low level to exploit something that was designed to protect new players; simply because it gives them an edge to gain battle points with very little effort on their part.
They can rove in packs and attack singly, knowing full well that they are on an even footing with any high level player and as long as only one attacks, the others are safe. If that player looks like he's going to lose, ANOTHER player in the pack immediately attacks the high level player and sinks them; since they are all grouped they share BP equally with very little risk to any one player.
How can you possibly justify this action as equitable or even begin to compare their actions with how clans move in formations attacking other enemy clans?
In other posts, it was made clear that BP has been trying to make this game emulate real life; OK I accept that, but at the same time, a protective seal signifies a form of neutrality.
How do you think nations would react if a "neutral" country used its neutrality to sidle up to unsuspecting warships and sink them without warning? The warships were not expecting any trouble, after all, the approaching warships were flying neutral flags.
Unprovoked attack?
Remember Pearl Harbor??
Remember how Hitler started a World War by attacking neutral Poland?
doom_warrior_004
23.11.2011, 18:54
i seriously think there needs to be rules on protective seals, i know what you are saying flybynav, but us higher level players, in this case, don't like having full event people running around hidding where we cant shoot them unless they shoot first, and with the new rules that level dosnt effect firepower in PvP, the one with the first shot wins. so explain to me how you see this as fair? there has to be something done to stop these full event people taking all the fun away from the game, the seal was made to help LOW level players out, not help high level players win more PvP. you may yell at me for saying high level players, but the way i look at it, your actual level dosnt effect a thing, your boats level and what you have on it does, i'm lv75 and youd think i am close to full elite, but i'm barley even 1/8 elite if that. then theres those cowards running around full event behind a shield. this is a war game but what happen to hard work getting you somewhere (levels giving more firepower) and having a fair battle, not some guys runs up and can blow you up without being able to properly fight back.
SamariJak
23.11.2011, 19:19
if its an event boat it doesnt need a seal anylonger taking advantage of what i call a Glithch many of these boats about, usually there in chat to antagonize chat bans . seals are for little boats workin there way up not waiting below serendo shooting the little guys put the Ep for kills back and it will fix itself
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Shackleton
05.12.2011, 16:17
I'm sick to death of having groups of 80+ level subs attacking me when I have no chance to defend myself.
Seals an unfair advantage?? Get serious! Look at how often high-level subs attack somebody with 50+ fewer levels. It used to happen to me about once an hour (or more) until I discovered the seal.
Take the Protective Seals away and I'm gone.
MacAttackIsBack92
05.12.2011, 16:22
Most of us agree.. We don't mind the protective shield, it's the fact that people are hiding behind them to kill other players that we don't like.
Shackleton
05.12.2011, 16:30
Understood Mac, but with the number of times I've been sunk by high-level boats, I don't have an ounce of sympathy for them.
I'm sick to death of having groups of 80+ level subs attacking me when I have no chance to defend myself.
Seals an unfair advantage?? Get serious! Look at how often high-level subs attack somebody with 50+ fewer levels. It used to happen to me about once an hour (or more) until I discovered the seal.
Take the Protective Seals away and I'm gone.
Read ALL the posts there sport, as indicated the protective seal should not apply to any Helix boat. If you are trading, then you don't NEED an elite boat of any sort because the protective seal would only be effective on "CEL" boats, you would not be be attacked by anyone except fish.
_aqua-marine_
05.12.2011, 17:54
Its simple, if you have the seal, then you can only shoot fish. That will sort the problem out. & it takes the advantage of hiding behind the seal out of the game, but still gives the sub the protection that it was meant for, so everyone is happy
_aqua-marine_
GE2
Its simple, if you have the seal, then you can only shoot fish. That will sort the problem out. & it takes the advantage of hiding behind the seal out of the game, but still gives the sub the protection that it was meant for, so everyone is happy
_aqua-marine_
GE2
thats well said aqua-marine. thats how it should of been since the implementation of protective seals. and for you's low lvls saying you get sunk by high lvl players yes of course i use to be low lvl getting sunk by high lvls and the bounty system didn't stop them and i didn't have the seal to hide behind until it came out and by then it was too late :) all i was trying to say about the seals is what aqua-marine just said, should only be able to shoot fish while you have a seal.
thats well said aqua-marine. thats how it should of been since the implementation of protective seals. and for you's low lvls saying you get sunk by high lvl players yes of course i use to be low lvl getting sunk by high lvls and the bounty system didn't stop them and i didn't have the seal to hide behind until it came out and by then it was too late :) all i was trying to say about the seals is what aqua-marine just said, should only be able to shoot fish while you have a seal.
Or as I had indicated earlier, tie the seal to the boat not the level. if you're level 180 cruising around in a cel boat you can still have a seal, but a level 10 in an elite boat, loses the seal because it's a helix boat and not a cel boat. even at level 180 a combat sub can't do too much damage to anything except fish...lol
=SheGoblin=
08.12.2011, 13:50
Do you guys actually not think that the higher players have had to deal with the same issues and problems when they were noobs as the lower levels do now?
I'm sorry I don't have sympathy for lower levels that whine about getting sunk, when you Hit 32 in one day without a premium then we'll talk.
But you know what, I got determined and now I play with those same guys that sunk me.
It is a war game, it is expected that the little guy gets beat up by the big guy, but you know what. The big guys can and are sunk and beat up by the little guys, it just depends on the determination you want. Plus use your head, alter your game play to minimize the amount of exposure, alternate trade routes, sonar drive in stead of map drive...consider strategy instead of saying things aren't fair.
Ultimately, don't trust seals.
=SheGoblin/SexySnorkles=
SamariJak
09.12.2011, 15:25
Rule #! about getting Sunk , if you complain in Chat many players will Hunt you specifically just to hear ya cry, I was fortunate when i started the Deep, the clan i was in forbid complaining in chat it draws attention to you and for fun players will sink you.
Pretend your a little fish in the oceans stay out of trade routes, dont go directly station to station, many hunt along these routes , make detours dont type alot in chat it will draw attention. SheGoblin nailed it, Everyone was shoot down when they were little its a fact of life Big fish eat little fish think more, keep low profile at least in global chat and watch what happens.
The protective seal is to help you build your boat before "Coming out the gate" Not to be able to pick and choose who you battle with Also TeamWork saves boats Been_There and I learned very early on two boats any level can take out any single boat in the water pair up find a fishing buddy or trading buddy it will increase your chances of Survival and you will have more fun, DEEPOLIS is a TEAM game and those that dont utilitize that are often sunk many times
Its ok to get Mad but the Key is to build and Get EVEN
When Been_There and I started out we were always getting sunk by ROT clan, at the time they pretty much Owned the US server, when PERN, WHISKY, Brazil, or Ten came on our sonar You were sunk . no chances of running away
So we built our boats best we could and traveled in teams. I will never forget the first time we sunk Pern. he sank the group 6 boats i was the last one standing, the smallest boat in the pack , But since we didnt give up or run we stood and fought back i was able to get the kill shot on Pern, it was a personal achievement for me and later on I learned and understood their play style and even joined them. Never give up, build learn prepare and Get Even without a Bad guy where would the fun be ?
.D35tr0yR.
05.09.2012, 04:44
This is a noob question but do protective seal only protect against other players? or do they protect from fish as well? I had one and got destroyed by zone 10 fish. I don't like to think i wasted 500 game currency on something that doesn't work. By the way, i did not attack first
This is a noob question but do protective seal only protect against other players? or do they protect from fish as well? I had one and got destroyed by zone 10 fish. I don't like to think i wasted 500 game currency on something that doesn't work. By the way, i did not attack first
The protective seal is only for PvP, not against fish or in the Battle Zone.
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