25% off upgrades READ BEFORE U BUY

[tina-princess]

Hi,

We have all seen this.

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k557/bitinaisbi/25pfft.jpg

So what does this mean?

If you are premium and have the rebate this is most effects you.

So the pic says 25% off

Premium members get 5% off all purchases.
Rebate holders get 25% off purchases

So, that means, 5% + 25% + 25% = 55% off. Right? NO!!!

Again we have to read it carefully.

This can best be shown with an example.

Lets say you want to upgrade a BO2 Shield from Level 11 to level 12.
Using 100% chance the total before Premium discount and rebate is 8255.
When we apply the Premium + Rebate discount (5% +25% or 30% off) we get

Total cost of 5779, which is 30% off 8255.

So now we get 25% off of that for a total of 4334.

Total cost for that one upgrade is 4334 uri.

Good Luck,

T <3

[pecanin]

and we come to last award of the night

Nobel Prize for Mathematics goes to ............(drum roll) ........

..... Big Point...........five years in row winner

you will never be cheated alone..

[†TIBΞЯIUS†]

You actually get 100x(1-(0.7*0.75))=47.5% off. 7.5% less than you should, so that's 7.5% of your money being taken to line Heiko Hubertz' pockets.

[=[sputnik]=]

So, that means, 5% + 25% + 25% = 55% off.

You actually get 100x(1-(0.7*0.75))=47.5% off. 7.5% less than you should

I'm sorry for being pedantic about this, but you're not supposed to get the 25% added to the premium and rebate discounts. That is not how mathematics works! The total discount is 47.5% and that is exactly what it should be.

Irrespective of having premium and rebate, you have to pay X Uri for a given upgrade outside of this "happy hour". The happy hour discount then applies to this amount and the cost becomes 0.75 * X, meaning 25% less than what you would normally pay. That is exactly the discount shown in the OP's example, and is precisely as advertised!

Suppose the happy hour discount was 70% -- would you really expect to pay nothing if you had premium and rebate? That makes no sense! Using the OP's example of an upgrade to level 12, the total cost would be 1734 Uri, i.e. 70% off the premium + rebate figure of 5779 Uri... exactly as advertised...

Seriously guys, stop picking where there's nothing to pick!!

[pecanin]

=;2540514']I'm sorry for being pedantic about this, but you're not supposed to get the 25% added to the premium and rebate discounts. That is not how mathematics works! The total discount is 47.5% and that is exactly what it should be.

Irrespective of having premium and rebate, you have to pay X Uri for a given upgrade outside of this "happy hour". The happy hour discount then applies to this amount and the cost becomes 0.75 * X, meaning 25% less than what you would normally pay. That is exactly the discount shown in the OP's example, and is precisely as advertised!

Suppose the happy hour discount was 70% -- would you really expect to pay nothing if you had premium and rebate? That makes no sense! Using the OP's example of an upgrade to level 12, the total cost would be 1734 Uri, i.e. 70% off the premium + rebate figure of 5779 Uri... exactly as advertised...

Seriously guys, stop picking where there's nothing to pick!!


Also sorry to nitpick

Rebate - get 25 % of every item (uridium item)- nowhere it says it excludes any offers

Premium- 5 % of every uridium item - again nowhere it says that it doesn't apply to special offers

so 30 +25 = 55

[loljesus]

Also sorry to nitpick

Rebate - get 25 % of every item (uridium item)- nowhere it says it excludes any offers

Premium- 5 % of every uridium item - again nowhere it says that it doesn't apply to special offers

so 30 +25 = 55

They decided to apply this reduction as an aftercalculation... They tend to do that a lot nowadays. I wonder how they managed to screw upgrades so bad they stacked onto all items behind them on the equipment line... Oh well... Idiots will be idiots.

[=[sputnik]=]

Also sorry to nitpick

Rebate - get 25 % of every item (uridium item)- nowhere it says it excludes any offers

Premium- 5 % of every uridium item - again nowhere it says that it doesn't apply to special offers

so 30 +25 = 55

I'm sorry, but this is not correct. You have to remember that not everyone has premium and rebate, but the happy hour applies to everybody! The only way such a promotion can then be logically implemented is if the premium and rebate advantages affect only the base cost of items.

So, what you have is different base costs for a given upgrade (on a user-to-user basis), but the same 25% discount applied to everyone (off the different base costs). This is precisely what's being advertised!

I ask again: do you think it makes sense to pay nothing if you're given a 70% discount?

[†TIBΞЯIUS†]

In theory, reductions wouldn't be feasible if they stacked by adding up, because they could potentially reach 100% reduction or more. Except for, they would never do that, so it does seem fairer to have the reductions add up, giving 55% not 47.5%. But then, there's not a whole lot to complain about, after all, you wouldn't complain if there were no reductions, you wouldn't think of it so wouldn't have cause to complain.

[=[sputnik]=]

Perhaps I didn't get my point across in the above posts, so allow me to clarify.

Fairness has nothing to do with the issue at hand, it's all about the correct interpretation of the deal we're being offered. Correct me if I'm wrong, but -- from my understanding -- in a limited-time deal, the price that you normally pay for an item is reduced by a specified rate while the deal is on offer. There's no other way around it! This is common sense, the rest follows from simple mathematics.

Suppose, for the sake of the argument, that the upgrade happy hour worked as you all want it to. A player with premium and rebate would see his usual 30% benefit increase to 55% for the duration of the deal. Then, for an upgrade to level 12 he would pay

0.45 * 8255 Uri = 3715 Uri

while normally -- i.e., when the deal is off -- he pays

0.7 * 8255 Uri = 5779 Uri

The discount rate that this player would get is then given by

(5779 - 3715) / 5779 * 100% = 35.7%

which is more than the 25% being offered! Simply put, you cannot sum the two discount rates and produce an effect compatible with the definition of a limited-time offer.

I'm not saying that your preferred system is unfair or unfeasible, just that, if it had been intended, the advertisement would need to be worded differently. As it stands, there's really nothing to complain. Not about this, anyway.

Regards,

=[sputnik]=

[†TIBΞЯIUS†]

=;2542210']Perhaps I didn't get my point across in the above posts, so allow me to clarify.

Fairness has nothing to do with the issue at hand, it's all about the correct interpretation of the deal we're being offered. Correct me if I'm wrong, but -- from my understanding -- in a limited-time deal, the price that you normally pay for an item is reduced by a specified rate while the deal is on offer. There's no other way around it! This is common sense, the rest follows from simple mathematics.

Suppose, for the sake of the argument, that the upgrade happy hour worked as you all want it to. A player with premium and rebate would see his usual 30% benefit increase to 55% for the duration of the deal. Then, for an upgrade to level 12 he would pay

0.45 * 8255 Uri = 3715 Uri

while normally -- i.e., when the deal is off -- he pays

0.7 * 8255 Uri = 5779 Uri

The discount rate that this player would get is then given by

(5779 - 3715) / 5779 * 100% = 35.7%

which is more than the 25% being offered! Simply put, you cannot sum the two discount rates and produce an effect compatible with the definition of a limited-time offer.

I'm not saying that your preferred system is unfair or unfeasible, just that, if it had been intended, the advertisement would need to be worded differently. As it stands, there's really nothing to complain. Not about this, anyway.

Regards,

=[sputnik]=

I understand what you are saying, multiplicative reductions make most sense.
All I'm saying is stacking reductions would be nice, not necessarily sensible. However some reduction is better than none, so there's not a whole lot to complain about, therefore I agree with you, the way it is done is fine.

[tachyon2010Q2]

Not really, only make sense in DO's world because your use to damage and shield calculation. Go check retail sales and how discounts are added. All discount I've seen have always been added together then the discount is applied to an item, that or they have small print that says not used with other offer or deals.

[whitlockbr]

Interpretation,

The fact that this offer has been interpreted two ways means that it CAN be interpreted two ways. Like water BP takes the path of least cost and goes with the 'cheaper' interpretation. I mean that in a couple different ways. First we can assume that BP just doesn't want to pay that extra few percent, and second; it would be difficult and significantly more expensive for the programmers to put this feature in the %+ way. They would have to identify the premium player, rebate player, and premium + rebate player then make the appropriate calculations. With the current system they just have to layer the programing to say 'apply x discount all the time' then when the special discounts come along they just apply to everyone.

This complaint while ridiculous is only a result of BP's significant greed with prior updates. Taken as a single event there would be no complaints, but as the greed is excessive, complaints will occur.

Boots

[pecanin]

Interpretation,

The fact that this offer has been interpreted two ways means that it CAN be interpreted two ways. Like water BP takes the path of least cost and goes with the 'cheaper' interpretation. I mean that in a couple different ways. First we can assume that BP just doesn't want to pay that extra few percent, and second; it would be difficult and significantly more expensive for the programmers to put this feature in the %+ way. They would have to identify the premium player, rebate player, and premium + rebate player then make the appropriate calculations. With the current system they just have to layer the programing to say 'apply x discount all the time' then when the special discounts come along they just apply to everyone.

This complaint while ridiculous is only a result of BP's significant greed with prior updates. Taken as a single event there would be no complaints, but as the greed is excessive, complaints will occur.

Boots

Boots

Variable already exists

it is applied to gg spins/boosters/ammo and so on

issue i have with it is that both packs clearly state "ALL URIDIUM PURCHASES" ,upgrades are uridium purchase so why people have problem understanding that 25 % + 30 % for me equals 55 %

no small print or anything to suggest

x excludes special offers and so on

when you buy something physical that had 10 % off one week and has 10% taken off next week it means you get 20% off not 18.7% or some such malarkey

5 minutes it would take to add that small print but they have no time as they are thinking of new ways to get money of those that still spend

[tina-princess]

Thanks for the replies.....

However, this is the correct calculation.

Total cost of 5779, which is 30% off 8255.

So now we get 25% off of that for a total of 4334.

Total cost for that one upgrade is 4334 uri.

According to Do the cost for premium rebate holders is 5779.

Therefore, we get 25% off of that.
Though it is 47% off the normal price (before premium and rebate) and you are correct with that statement. It is not 30%+25%= 55% off the original price.

Remember its all about the wording...aka fine print.

For those who doubt me just wait for the next one to come out and see for yourself.

T <3

[pecanin]

Thanks for the replies.....

However, this is the correct calculation.

Total cost of 5779, which is 30% off 8255.

So now we get 25% off of that for a total of 4334.

Total cost for that one upgrade is 4334 uri.

According to Do the cost for premium rebate holders is 5779.

Therefore, we get 25% off of that.
Though it is 47% off the normal price (before premium and rebate) and you are correct with that statement. It is not 30%+25%= 55% off the original price.

Remember its all about the wording...aka fine print.

For those who doubt me just wait for the next one to come out and see for yourself.

T <3


Tina

My only argument with entire thing is that we have bought racehorse then on delivery find out that it is just painted donkey

nowhere on either package (premium or rebate) it says that it does not apply to special offers

so for me not to get that 55 % off is just another in long line of DO/BP scams

mods can infact me all they like but truth is still truth

[loljesus]

I'm happy in the knowledge that I'm getting offered a discount of any sort. Not like I'm buying anything again like.

[whitlockbr]

I'm happy in the knowledge that I'm getting offered a discount of any sort. Not like I'm buying anything again like.


Amen there :) 55% of nuthin is nuthin!! and I'm gettin all of that:) Lets see maybe 45% of nuthin or even 53.8% of nuthin.. hey man its still nilch nada... zeeerrrooooo!!! :cool:

nothin!!:p

Yh I'm good too!! thx!!;)

Boots

[loljesus]

Amen there :) 55% of nuthin is nuthin!! and I'm gettin all of that:) Lets see maybe 45% of nuthin or even 53.8% of nuthin.. hey man its still nilch nada... zeeerrrooooo!!! :cool:

nothin!!:p

Yh I'm good too!! thx!!;)

Boots

If you're not buying anything again either you have nothing to complain about just like me.

[-†ŦØxĭÇ_ΛÇΣ†-]

2x=g+5x-25%=n+132,923-55%= I have no idea what I did this for.

[Ypsurv]

Normally I'd jump all over any reason to attack Bigpoint as I truly believe they have lost their way and often try to purposely mislead their customers in order to increase their profits.

However in this particular instance I have to agree with Sputnik.
I think those of you who are trying to interpret the discount differently are being completely unreasonable.

The way Sputnik explains it makes perfect sense and it couldn't possibly work any other way as he rightly pointed out.
And sorry Boots but I don't think the argument that it "can be interpreted two ways" holds water.
Pretty much everything in this life can be interpreted multiple ways if you skew the information to your needs.

In this instance I don't see any intent to mislead people whatsoever. A rare circumstance around here indeed.

I think people are so fed up with Bigpoint's shady business practices these days that they're starting to read way too much into every tiny thing.
Though I would say that mentality is definitely NOT the fault of the customers.

[-pacman2-]

I haven't read all the post, but I have to agree with =[sputnik]='s calculations.

Its all about how it is advertised. It only states

"With every upgrade you start you save 25%."

Act now and upgrade for a discount rate.

Its all in the small print in this case the "a".

The two statements combine to suggest what you want it to, but mean a reduction in cost of 25%. Not an additional 25% on top of any other cost reduction.

DO use many sales tactic these days so you have to take that into consideration when reading any advertisement they produce. Sad, but true.

Regards, Pacman.