Could we have an agreement?

[solllooo_boss1]

Because of a disturbing but yet very common thing in this game, noobs hunting, i come in front of you leaders of wings from both sides with an agreement sugestion.
BP give us 4 protected systems on both sides so noobs can farm and lvl up undisturbed but in my opinion is not enough. We can agree and add 3 more on each side: Sygma Liares, Balent and Weggelin for example on colonial side and Otaan, Imsida and Anachron on cylon side.
The rules must be simple and easy to follow:
1. No op's bashing on those systems.
2. Players higher then lvl 15 have no bussiness there, but they are free to pass in route to another system. They are not alowed to leave or move from spawn point.
3. Enemy players lower then lvl 15 who may have missions there will not be engaged by higher lvl players even if they fight with players of same lvl for DEO's missions.

Note: Lvl 15 limit it's just a suggestion and could be set to another value if all parts agree with that.
We can also extend the agreement and no one attack players - 10 lvl in any system except fleet battles or self defence.

Let me know what you think about this, good or bad :)

[Charlie81]

What exactly are you proposing? An all server ceasefire of all combat operations within those systems...?

While it sounds good, and hell, I'd love to get rid of the hordes of players through Imsida each and every day... good luck with any Colonials (Cylons for wegelin) agreeing with that. There will always be noob bashers on both sides. It's a good idea in theory, but in practice, nup.

[solllooo_boss1]

You get me wrong my friend, I don't need all colos or cylons to agree, only big wings and ''old dogs'' from server.
I know there will be always noob hunters or ppl who don't respect this but if big wings agree and stand with us, we can handle those ''rebels'' with ease :)

[bucew]

"it was in self defence, i was just passing trough and got attacked. ..."

see

[maverick1987]

Most of the mid-to-high level Colonials on Caprica will respond almost immediately to a 911 call that some Cylon noob hunter is flying around Weg. I get a good portion of my DEOs snuffing noob hunters there. :cool:

[heifi]

hey harv. i would agree immediately. but i doubt we can get such an agreement from most other wings. i will talk with my wingmates, maybe we can use some connections to the german human side...

until there is a solution i am still doing a big part of my daylies in imsida, just to protect our lowies. its not seldom i finish my deo there first:(

[notEmpty]

When Colos are more organized in wings, and in TS, Cylos are mostly "freelancers", without any organization.
Those who already in some wings - mostly do not hunting noobs, and nothing will change after such agreement.

But those who not in a wings, will keep on hunting like everything is ok.

So... i don't think this gonna work. Damn, actually we cant even organize them to fight in right order, but to calm those hunters? No way...

Btw, it was so funny to watch such stuff in chat, when i've started new account, and on my lvl 10-20 was hunting lvl 30-50s, and when i've completed my disrups, all my chat was filled with messages like "noobhunter" and stuff ;D
I was like "I'm glad that you guys considering yourself like this, but I don't see anything bad in lvl 20 killing 2-3 lvl 40s at the same time ;D"

[[Dark-master]]

This is going to be hard to work on but one thing we can do is tell our newbies to send out a fleet call if there is a player that is noob bashing. They must tell us the players name, level, what ship they are in and how many there are. We should also drop into the systems close to the protected ones to see if everything is ok.
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Akbor-level 43
Wing-Crazy Dog Society
Advance Viper MK7
Colonial-Sagittaron
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[tekno640]

To be honest thers no need to lock up half the galaxy for a noob. in the very deep sistems one strike jump away from galactica (or basestar) there were only 1 or 2 enemy players theyr evry 2 or 3 days... beside the fact that ive seen 5 lvl 10- strike craft gang up and aniolate a lvl 40+ line that was in the closest system to galactica... and ontop of that the minut thers a problem in a noob system ther a horde of line ships angulfing the area becouse a passer through line decided to send out a fleet call... the systems they have are enough... but i will admit one thing... there should be a ban on daily objectives (reconisance and scanning) bieng near noob areas as it encouradges noob hunting (aka the systems you suggested should never have a reconisance or astroid scanning mission in them). but thats not somthing wingleaders can stop but it is somthing we can complain to the devs about.

[solllooo_boss1]

What i want to see here it's a statement from leaders or representatives of strongest wings on both sides who blame such things and deny of any future support for that.
I'm aware of freelancers problem but we can handle them easily, like Lebtron said.
Is not like we will change the game 180 degree from now long but we need to start somewhere...

[snoopwedo]

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[snoopwedo]

Noob hunting is part of the game. Was hunted big time when i first started taught me how to avoid stealth and pair up with experienced players. Now i try and help noobs. I dont noob hunt but if i see a target of opportunity well part of this game is disrupt operations. Dont let the noobs get too good too fast.

Cutter
Aquira

[-Crash-70]

The Black-Sheep do not single out nuggets unless attacked by them or they are part of a larger attack group ie, OP run's that's our stand with or without an agreement.

[StarRaptor7]

well hey, we grew up in the game having to play in systems where the enemy was hunting all day long, we didnt get many protected maps to do our dailies, but yet we did climb to the top today, so why should the noobs today have any more protection than us?

if we could do it before, they can do it now, no point giving them all advantages or else its gonna be a noob game

[solllooo_boss1]

I don't agreee StarRaptor. Noobs are the future of the game and if you like and care about this game you should make a step back and rethink what you just said.
''Why should I spare them when no one spare me...?'' this is a selfish and childish point of view :(

[restless_native]

Because of a disturbing but yet very common thing in this game, noobs hunting, i come in front of you leaders of wings from both sides with an agreement sugestion.
BP give us 4 protected systems on both sides so noobs can farm and lvl up undisturbed but in my opinion is not enough. We can agree and add 3 more on each side: Sygma Liares, Balent and Weggelin for example on colonial side and Otaan, Imsida and Anachron on cylon side.
The rules must be simple and easy to follow:
1. No op's bashing on those systems.
2. Players higher then lvl 15 have no bussiness there, but they are free to pass in route to another system. They are not alowed to leave or move from spawn point.
3. Enemy players lower then lvl 15 who may have missions there will not be engaged by higher lvl players even if they fight with players of same lvl for DEO's missions.

Note: Lvl 15 limit it's just a suggestion and could be set to another value if all parts agree with that.
We can also extend the agreement and no one attack players - 10 lvl in any system except fleet battles or self defence.

Let me know what you think about this, good or bad :)

I like the idea of giving new players a break. However, I'm not in favour of excluding high levels from certain systems. This is simply because those systems often contain high level targets who are fair game to be hunted as far as I'm concerned.

Our wing already has a policy that we never kill noobs when hunting together in low level systems. For that matter if we are in a squad we won't attack low levels in higher level systems as long as they don't engage us. We sometimes even warn noobs that we are there in OG so they can choose to keep out of trouble. This isn't done from any high moral standpoint. It's simply because we think that a squad of strikes swooping down to kill a level 10 is just a bit lame. If a high level squad is sitting on a mine in Wegelin though we'll attack without hesitation.

I think it would be better if we agreed to give low levels a break wherever they are and not just kill them because we can. There's no satisfaction in doing that anyway.

[Silverblad3]

This will never happen, CDS will hunt and kill any cylon, nugget/noob/low level. I dont hunt in low lvl systems except in rataliation but if passing through they are fair game. Why?

Cylons did the damage after the faction switch, many colonial players left, hence we don't mind seal clubbing at all.

We seen cylon wings repeatedly 'kill' players, under level 20 when they are far higher level.

Sorry, you are just way too late with any semblance of an agreement. I am sure if things had been different, all of CDS would probably follow but not anymore.

I think its exceptionally hilarious that some players come from a moral high ground in this thread about not killing noobs when I have seen them hunting in low level areas to get their DEOS. Ironic huh?

Tango6.

[StarRaptor7]

I don't agreee StarRaptor. Noobs are the future of the game and if you like and care about this game you should make a step back and rethink what you just said.
''Why should I spare them when no one spare me...?'' this is a selfish and childish point of view :(

lol yeah right, when edm is the number one wing in killing low lvl players in sagittaron :P dude please, talk sense

[heifi]

This will never happen, CDS will hunt and kill any cylon, nugget/noob/low level. I dont hunt in low lvl systems except in rataliation but if passing through they are fair game. Why?

Cylons did the damage after the faction switch, many colonial players left, hence we don't mind seal clubbing at all.

We seen cylon wings repeatedly 'kill' players, under level 20 when they are far higher level.

Sorry, you are just way too late with any semblance of an agreement. I am sure if things had been different, all of CDS would probably follow but not anymore.

I think its exceptionally hilarious that some players come from a moral high ground in this thread about not killing noobs when I have seen them hunting in low level areas to get their DEOS. Ironic huh?

Tango6.

clyons did it because humans did it before. now humans do it again because cylons did it. argumenting that way is the reason why some wars will never end. at the moment server is pretty balanced. when will there a better moment to stop this than now?

[StarRaptor7]

clyons did it because humans did it before. now humans do it again because cylons did it. argumenting that way is the reason why some wars will never end. at the moment server is pretty balanced. when will there a better moment to stop this than now?

we didnt do it before, cylons started it

same way as spwncamping, only cylons been doing it for a long time and saying its fair, but when colonials start doing same recently u start to cry

[solllooo_boss1]

StarRaptor I think you are new around here. What you say about us make me laugh and nothing more. Or maybe you talk about another wing called EdM. We never hunt in Otaan, Imsida or Anachron as colonials and don't hunt now in Sygma, Balent or Weggelin as cylons. If you claim such thing about us all you can do is to make people who know and respect us to laugh of you. I will never come in front of everyone to ask them to do something we don't.
It's obvious you have something personal against us but is all ok. You don't have to like us but at least you can be fair my friend.

PS: What exactly is your IGN?

[-Crash-70]

I was killed as a "noob" so now that I am big and bad, to bad! Grow Up!, then get over it..

I can remember 1 High level Cylon player letting me scan rocks in a system he was doing what ever it was he was doing, asked me in chat what I was up to, dailies. I have to say I was surprised at first so I answered and said yes he advised me to hurry up and leave, its why I am still playing and why I like this game we choose to be who we are, looking back I would have to thank that player for showing restraint on a new player.

[StarRaptor7]

StarRaptor I think you are new around here. What you say about us make me laugh and nothing more. Or maybe you talk about another wing called EdM. We never hunt in Otaan, Imsida or Anachron as colonials and don't hunt now in Sygma, Balent or Weggelin as cylons. If you claim such thing about us all you can do is to make people who know and respect us to laugh of you. I will never come in front of everyone to ask them to do something we don't.
It's obvious you have something personal against us but is all ok. You don't have to like us but at least you can be fair my friend.

PS: What exactly is your IGN?

sure watever... as if i care... just saying what i see, not asking any1 to believe me

and just to clear things up: i dont hunt in those maps either, except when the squad i am in decides to go there, but then again i rarely hunt with others i usually fly solo so i rarely go in those small maps, i just refuse to make them pvp-banned maps cuz i dont see why noobs need to get anything better than what i got before... and i doubt it would help them anyway, its just gonna be a waste

[solllooo_boss1]

You still didn't tell us you name in game, maybe you want to keep it secret :)
I see Tango presented us already CDS wing position.
Anyone else? Another opinion?

[Crocodyne]

Hello guys.
I can't speak for my wing, but I want to give some personal inputs to this discussion. Let's go by points:
1) OP Bashing: OP's number affect the faction control with the consequent bonus over extraction speed. And they give merits. You can't ask to an entire faction to not gain benefits from the OP bash just because of lowlivs of the OTHER faction. It kinda goes against the whole game's basic rule where you have to help your faction as much as you can.
2) No business for high level into these systems: Do you mean "high level" of the same faction or every high level? If it's the first one, I agree. I can "sacrifice" myself and search for debris, planetoids and such in more dangerous systems and leave these resources to lowlivs. If it's the second... well, leave alone the OP bash, asking to stop the noob hunt is fair enought. I don't think everyone will stop though :P
3) Enemy lowlivs: Here come the thing. I frankly disagree and I'll tell you why:
If I decide to go so far from my base to do whatever thing I need/want ( dailies, kills, etc), I take up all the risks who comes with my decision. I can't help it. In fact, this is a good thing because it allows you to learn a basic lesson: squadron.
Are you going to a very far system? Ask help, manage a squadron, join a wing. Lowlivs need to learn it, and learn the faster they can.
Overall I agree that lowlivs would need a better protection into other systems aside from the standard 4 ones, so I hope at least the major wings of both sides can find an agreement.

[Silverblad3]

clyons did it because humans did it before. now humans do it again because cylons did it. argumenting that way is the reason why some wars will never end. at the moment server is pretty balanced. when will there a better moment to stop this than now?

No the server is not 'pretty balanced' and has not been pretty balanced for a long time. We see multiple cylon wings raiding systems when you have an OP fleet and a defending fleet. We colonials can never do this currently. But this is a different subject entirely.

Anyway, the cycle of you did, you did that always is biased to a degree. We will never agree on who did what so many things are going to be pointless to argue or have a sensible debate.

T

[heifi]

No the server is not 'pretty balanced' and has not been pretty balanced for a long time. We see multiple cylon wings raiding systems when you have an OP fleet and a defending fleet. We colonials can never do this currently. But this is a different subject entirely.

you already do run multiple fleets, even if you dont want to hear this... and as i said in another thread: logins are already 50/50 according to an official.

as far as i see, humans do have the numbers, they even have nearly the same amount of highlevels (42 of the first 100) . but there has something changed in their behavior. before the faction switch i could go on my hunt alone. its impossible to do this now as humans are now running around in bigger groups. of course they had to do so after the faction switch. but while we often hunt now in small fleets, much more effectiv in controlling multiple areas, humans do still stick together in fleets usable to kill ops. they even sit on mines with up to 10 ships, watching how we kill their op. how effectiv could this be?

As i see that debate is pointless from now, as one big wing already denied to agree. balance on the server will fall again, no matter what we would agree, its just going faster that way. if i look to wegelin and see swarms of newbies and to imsida, seeing 1 or maybe 2 newbies, i know that it will not stay for long this balanced. cylons will have fun for a couple of months until it gets unplayable, while humans will get bored again. the time right after the switch was the worst time in game, when we were way too overpowered and it was the reason why i left the game for the first time for more than a month.

and as i never did, i have to express my respect to every human who stayed after the switch. much more honorable than those who did not play in this time, but played when they were on the superior side and are coming back now...

[notEmpty]

Cylon fleet is completely useless (: I'm really like to see them popping (: Way to much hatered for the cylon fleet i've got arlready. Each day when i'm login in - i see almost no cylon OP (i'm flying strike now, so believe me - i'm feeling this really bad each respawn), and lots of colonial huge groups cruising through our systems.

Can't tell bout the time when i'm at work, but when i got a few minutes to play this game - me and my squad are playing outnumbered.

I'm not complaining. Most of the time this outnumbering is satisfying (more blood for us to spill). But the fact that colonials are saying that they are outnumbered - is kinda interesting news for me (:

Maybe i should try to play in a middle of a day sometimes, when i'll finnaly quit my job (:

[Saint-Zeezo]

Mostly I monitor the map daily, I noticed the past week on this server that over 75 percent of map is colonial and rest cylon limited to a few safe systems... but this changes after 1:00 am till 8:00 am and balance is restored to a normal 50:50 ratio. other servers have it the other way round.. All i can say is noobs should level up properly and avoid big guns and high risk areas... one can easily level up and rise to challenge of getting medium ships and larger ships when they develop their skills enough to use them properly. I struggle my self, but don't complain about it.. I wisely advance into areas I am confident I can hold my own like with a maul in weg and do not get cross when a level 50 Raider/Heavy raider ship destroys me with upgraded weapons. I will just get even one day :)

[Silverblad3]

Mostly I monitor the map daily, I noticed the past week on this server that over 75 percent of map is colonial and rest cylon limited to a few safe systems... but this changes after 1:00 am till 8:00 am and balance is restored to a normal 50:50 ratio. other servers have it the other way round..

Wow really? What map are you looking at? Can you read? Its so frustrating with the BS some cylons sprout.

T

[-SanTorini-]

No the server is not 'pretty balanced' and has not been pretty balanced for a long time. We see multiple cylon wings raiding systems when you have an OP fleet and a defending fleet. We colonials can never do this currently. But this is a different subject entirely.

Anyway, the cycle of you did, you did that always is biased to a degree. We will never agree on who did what so many things are going to be pointless to argue or have a sensible debate.

T

i told you before this is bulshit, few days ago i logged in. and the only cylon outpost in game was in Aretis. i saw much colonial outposts in cerbero, tanhauser, nastrond, munin.. several colonial fleets crossing my squad in serpentos, aretis, vidofnir and go on.. at that time the points were about 800 for colonial, and 400 for the cylon part. so its bulshit you talk colonials are outnumbered.. when i go whit fleet tours i see much colonial liners that i have never seen fighting before.. so this means you guys have to much lazy ppl on colonial side, not only colonial side i also see it on the cylon part.

and i must say, i get sick of the fact always the same clans/wings need to take actions to increase colonial population, while the dumb asses keep farming there asses on watermines.. that is why we never help them when they need help.. in fact we jump out and they wil die on the watermines hihi


Back to the point, when i see one member of us hunting low level system. i wil emmediadly make action to warn him/her.

[-Crash-70]

i told you before this is bulshit, few days ago i logged in. and the only cylon outpost in game was in Aretis. i saw much colonial outposts in cerbero, tanhauser, nastrond, munin.. several colonial fleets crossing my squad in serpentos, aretis, vidofnir and go on.. at that time the points were about 800 for colonial, and 400 for the cylon part. so its bulshit you talk colonials are outnumbered.. when i go whit fleet tours i see much colonial liners that i have never seen fighting before.. so this means you guys have to much lazy ppl on colonial side, not only colonial side i also see it on the cylon part.

and i must say, i get sick of the fact always the same clans/wings need to take actions to increase colonial population, while the dumb asses keep farming there asses on watermines.. that is why we never help them when they need help.. in fact we jump out and they wil die on the watermines hihi


Back to the point, when i see one member of us hunting low level system. i wil emmediadly make action to warn him/her.

Hate to be the bearer of bad new but at 2pm server time it was even after that the colonial side dropped in numbers until late morning and that is how it is everyday.

So you put up with it or only play when your faction is in control...

[Silverblad3]

i told you before this is bulshit, few days ago i logged in. and the only cylon outpost in game was in Aretis. i saw much colonial outposts in cerbero, tanhauser, nastrond, munin.. several colonial fleets crossing my squad in serpentos, aretis, vidofnir and go on.. at that time the points were about 800 for colonial, and 400 for the cylon part. so its bulshit you talk colonials are outnumbered.. when i go whit fleet tours i see much colonial liners that i have never seen fighting before.. so this means you guys have to much lazy ppl on colonial side, not only colonial side i also see it on the cylon part.

Xanthos, you have admitted lying on this server in game on the last thread about this subject. The same BS still sprouts from you.

Okay, how about this. You are all right, after the faction switch which allowed colonial players to move cylons, the colonial still had hundreds more players then you. We outnumbered you then and we still do. You are right 100% , we control every single system and OP, you are always harassed and can never do your dailies. Oh dear.......

Same frakking BS, same frakking BS cylons, same frakking BP dev team that can't do frak all about it and its been 5 frakking months, and Sagitaron does not have it as bad as other servers.

Frakking off now, enjoy your frakking BS lies.

T

[-SanTorini-]

Xanthos, you have admitted lying on this server in game on the last thread about this subject. The same BS still sprouts from you.

Okay, how about this. You are all right, after the faction switch which allowed colonial players to move cylons, the colonial still had hundreds more players then you. We outnumbered you then and we still do. You are right 100% , we control every single system and OP, you are always harassed and can never do your dailies. Oh dear.......

Same frakking BS, same frakking BS cylons, same frakking BP dev team that can't do frak all about it and its been 5 frakking months, and Sagitaron does not have it as bad as other servers.

Frakking off now, enjoy your frakking BS lies.

T

Lies?

Like i said its bulshit what you're telling to us, just the fact colonials want more territory, what i could understand. but another faction switch, that makes cylon outnumbered. because of the fact that CDS and there ppl want more watermines?!

Hmm no i can not understand that.

I agree sometimes in the weeks, we do outnumber colonial fleets. but factionswitch needed? No way! balance is good, battles are nice, and even if i was outnumbered.. i did not really care.. cause im only here to play and make fun!

[solllooo_boss1]

I see this discussion going a bit out of control. This thread IS NOT ABOUT SERVER BALANCE. We have another threads with that topic so move your complains there.
This thread is about we can act like grown up people and try to find a common point of view to make game a little bit enjoyable for those who are just start to play.
But i see now this is useless. We go back step by step to ancient discussions like server ballance, who camp first or more often, or what was first egg or the chicken...
Thanks Jimbe for your support (means a lot for me) and Tango for your straight answer.

[Agelastus]

Wow really? What map are you looking at? Can you read? Its so frustrating with the BS some cylons sprout.

T

Actually my impression is that Sagittaron is suffering from violent, but fairly regularly timed, swings at the moment, the most extreme I've seen; it seems that the game can swing from 3:1 Colonial to 3:1 Cylon in only a couple of hours at the moment. While that may be better than the immediate post-faction switch situation it's still not good for the game - how must the players who only ever log on for their daily hour or two of play when it's always either Cylon or Colonial domination feel?

[-Crash-70]

Actually my impression is that Sagittaron is suffering from violent, but fairly regularly timed, swings at the moment, the most extreme I've seen; it seems that the game can swing from 3:1 Colonial to 3:1 Cylon in only a couple of hours at the moment. While that may be better than the immediate post-faction switch situation it's still not good for the game - how must the players who only ever log on for their daily hour or two of play when it's always either Cylon or Colonial domination feel?

Yea its pretty bad and almost impossible to do anything unless its by a fleet, today while mining a water mine two of our wing were attacked and held off two leeches until they returned with a Cylon fleet of 4 lines, and 2 escorts there may have been more but i was done by that point, so it took a fleet to kill us I don't feel bad about that pretty good actually because it took that much fire power to kill us.

But yea there is a teeter-toter effect on that server with one faction over powering another.

[StarRaptor7]

Actually my impression is that Sagittaron is suffering from violent, but fairly regularly timed, swings at the moment, the most extreme I've seen; it seems that the game can swing from 3:1 Colonial to 3:1 Cylon in only a couple of hours at the moment. While that may be better than the immediate post-faction switch situation it's still not good for the game - how must the players who only ever log on for their daily hour or two of play when it's always either Cylon or Colonial domination feel?

ur looking at it wrong

the numbers in sector control only show how much OP and mines each side got... so just after an OP run performed by colonials, cylons will have less points, and vice versa.. that doesnt show anything, as OP run will destroy all ur OPs when it passes, doesnt matter if there are more cylons or colonials playing or less, as OP run is hard to stop unless all players on defensive side come together, but if every1 is busy doing dailies they wont defend the OPs

way to look at it is with leaderboards, but even that isnt 100% accurate

[Agelastus]

ur looking at it wrong

the numbers in sector control only show how much OP and mines each side got... so just after an OP run performed by colonials, cylons will have less points, and vice versa.. that doesnt show anything, as OP run will destroy all ur OPs when it passes, doesnt matter if there are more cylons or colonials playing or less, as OP run is hard to stop unless all players on defensive side come together, but if every1 is busy doing dailies they wont defend the OPs

way to look at it is with leaderboards, but even that isnt 100% accurate

I've seen (yesterday) both sides flattened with very few mines on the board yet the Cylons being listed with a 3:1 advantage. Are you certain only mines and ops are counted? I was always under the impression that numbers were a part of that calculation as well.

[StarRaptor7]

I've seen (yesterday) both sides flattened with very few mines on the board yet the Cylons being listed with a 3:1 advantage. Are you certain only mines and ops are counted? I was always under the impression that numbers were a part of that calculation as well.

when there are no OPs its the mines that count, and counting mines off the system map isnt precise as many maps got several mines in them, so ud have to check it that way too

[-Crash-70]

I've seen (yesterday) both sides flattened with very few mines on the board yet the Cylons being listed with a 3:1 advantage. Are you certain only mines and ops are counted? I was always under the impression that numbers were a part of that calculation as well.

Count me if I'm wrong but I believe the count is based on members logged on the server. :confused:

[heifi]

Count me if I'm wrong but I believe the count is based on members logged on the server. :confused:

no, it has definitly nothing to do with the members logged in. just indirect as more member would build up more ops or mines. but even this depends on the playstyle. if 50 cylons are in one system and 50 humans are spread over the map, human would have an advantage in sectorcontrol, but logins would be balanced.

just look at the numbers after one side finished their op tour. most times its in their favor then, because they own more mines and ops.

[StarRaptor7]

Count me if I'm wrong but I believe the count is based on members logged on the server. :confused:

idk if u noticed but the numbers are always multiples of 5.. ending in 0 or 5... if they were player counts, they wouldnt always be multiples of 5...

[solllooo_boss1]

Mods please close this thread to avoid spamming and offtopic discussions.
Thank you all for your thoughts.

[-SanTorini-]

NCF was camping in SPECTRIS today, those idiots never learn... i saw 5 lines, and 3 escorts from NCF killing low lvls and guarding a watermine..

i mean if you want to get DEO's or water than take an other sys:confused:

[StarRaptor7]

NCF was camping in SPECTRIS today, those idiots never learn... i saw 5 lines, and 3 escorts from NCF killing low lvls and guarding a watermine..

i mean if you want to get DEO's or water than take an other sys:confused:

hard to blame them when cylons do the same thing on colonial maps every day... yet i dont like it, and i dont do it