really devs? faction switch?

[galkon777]

I'm not mad at the faction switch, just the rewards for it! Correct me if im wrong but multiple people in my wing told me that the reward was 40k cubes 5k merits 90k tyl and 60k tit, i check and i have 34k cubes 4250 merits 70k tyl and 50k tit???? scaling rewards based on level! If you want people to switch you should make the reward worth it considering how badly outnumbered the colons r on Kobol. And the message was still the cylon one... Therefore, i have a moral objection to play this game since your to lazy to write some words... and make sure only the high levels can have crappy rewards for faction switching.

[galkon777]

Please answer questions 1,2 or 3 and 4 or 5. Check other if you have an alternative answer to the options given.

[MeatbagSlayer]

Other: Most of the people on the "more numerous" side insist they're all about balance and challenge- so let them put their money where their mouth is and switch without a big fat bribe.

[zatoichimk2]

Other,i don't know...too high and you'd have everyone switching,too low and no one would,but then the reward as it is now didn't attract anyone anyway,i don't think it should be scaled according to level though...

[galkon777]

ah ty, i wouldve switched except 34k cubits aint worth being specifically hunted by one of the most active wings in the server 0.0 and being outnumbered isnt condusive to grinding which is exactly what i need to do to get better ships

[Vanguard]

Ah, the good ol' 'Judas Package", as I like to call it.

MBS has it correct, if the players that are switching, are doing it for "the good of the game", then the fact that they get to keep EVERYTHING (level, gear, cubits, etc) then that should be reward enough.

To give them any additional "incentive" to switch is just pure feldercarb.

But hey, that's Bigpoint for ya . . .

[freakmon]

How bout rewarding the people who got shafted for weeks and had to spent out the butt in tylium and titanium costs WHILE being unable to efficiently grind or mine while the other faction sat high on the hog?

Don't get me wrong ... I'm glad those who switched 'to help' got something - they'll get primary target status as 'traitors' ... why shouldn't they get something to cover that? What I don't like is those who fought the good fight, putting time, energy, resources and effort into staying the course against severely imbalanced odds are told 'we'll reward those who are coming later to help you but you get nothing for all your troubles.'

How bout rewarding those who paid through the nose with higher tylium, titanium and cubit costs as well as limited mining opportunities? I mean, shouldn't the people who kept the server from completing failing altogether get something extra for their obvious shaft?

~Freak

[PaisleyBhoy]

Personally i like the idea they shouldnt get a penny for switching over,if they want 2 do it they should do it out of goodwill.Im on Picon sever and it seem last night any way that it went rather 2 well for the cylons,now it looks like us colonials are out numbered.But we will see when it settles down a bit.

[Big_Daddy_Lee]

Actually, they have to get it to work right first before the can figure out whether or not to raise or lower it. I know of myself and at least one other that made the switch over and didn't get the Merits that were stated. Actually was shorted 4,350 of the Merits that were promised..... And aparently there were issues elsewhere on other servers as well....so I say fix that first before deciding higher or lower.

[Barnebus352]

The problem, to my mind, is down to the initial faction choice at character creation, I chose the randomiser (middle) option yet still ended up as a cylon. The faction switch is the easy out for poor coding, see switch dialogue box for an obvious example. I think the bonus is fair as it may tempt some who wouldn't change, but then it all depends on why you want to play a particular faction in the first place.

[galkon777]

yah i auto selected and got cylon :P And hey, those who are getting the cross hairs on there back for switching should get a reward but freakmon is correct, There should be a reward, though smaller, for all those who stayed on colonial to begin with... I really think this is just a big fail by BP at least they arent makin people pay to faction switch lool

[zatoichimk2]

Actually, they have to get it to work right first before the can figure out whether or not to raise or lower it. I know of myself and at least one other that made the switch over and didn't get the Merits that were stated. Actually was shorted 4,350 of the Merits that were promised..... And aparently there were issues elsewhere on other servers as well....so I say fix that first before deciding higher or lower.

I remember reading somewhere they were aware of the merits issue and they were looking into it,i'd like my merits too for another server,i didn't even get 500 i got none :(

[Mistral1]

I am sure the arguments over whether it's right or wrong to give cylons who switch to be humans nice stuff for doing so will rage on and on, but when I logged on earlier on it was to see a mainly blue system with hardly any cylon ops. And I thought fabulous, it's going to make it fun to play :) I don't care if I am going to die more than I do already, at least there are going to be more humans to kill, without having to spend ages trying to find any.

I do hope the dogfights with the 7LK wing will still happen though, they are lots of fun :)

[elkevin]

but how about a price to those that stayed in their side for loyalty or something like that?

[Vanguard]

but how about a price to those that stayed in their side for loyalty or something like that?

If players get goodies for switching, then players that stay should get goodies as well.

I understand they implement the faction switches to try and balance things out, but like I've said before, the fact that the people that switch get to keep all their stuff should be reward enough.

[galkon777]

If players get goodies for switching, then players that stay should get goodies as well.

I understand they implement the faction switches to try and balance things out, but like I've said before, the fact that the people that switch get to keep all their stuff should be reward enough.

Are you saying that it is a privaledge that when someone switches, they dont have to start over? you sir, are wrong if so, if i have misunderstood, than I apologize

[Sphynx2]

what about not only switching sides from colonial to cylon or in other direction... what about making the offer for players to switch servers!!! for example cylons from server X wich is crowded with them are able to swich to a cylon server wich is outnumbered by colonial... without loosing equipment and their level...!!!

[galkon777]

thats honestly not a good idea at all... sorry but no

[Vanguard]

Are you saying that it is a privaledge that when someone switches, they dont have to start over? you sir, are wrong if so, if i have misunderstood, than I apologize

And how am I wrong?

Being able to switch sides and keep everything you've gotten to that point is just that. A privilege.

If it wasn't, and all you got to keep was your level and skills, then yes, I could see getting the "Judas Package" as a way to recoup your losses for "taking one for the team". But since you don't lose anything, you sure as hell shouldn't gain anything either.

Because a good portion of the people that are switching are ONLY doing it because they get something out of it. Not for "the good of the game" like they're claiming.

[CylonLeader]

I'm not mad at the faction switch, just the rewards for it! Correct me if im wrong but multiple people in my wing told me that the reward was 40k cubes 5k merits 90k tyl and 60k tit, i check and i have 34k cubes 4250 merits 70k tyl and 50k tit???? scaling rewards based on level! If you want people to switch you should make the reward worth it considering how badly outnumbered the colons r on Kobol. And the message was still the cylon one... Therefore, i have a moral objection to play this game since your to lazy to write some words... and make sure only the high levels can have crappy rewards for faction switching.

You shouldnt even get anything for switching! WHat about the people who were already outnumbered 5-1. they dont get anything.

[Johnnybonanza]

I have to agree with Goliath on this one, no bribe for changing sides.

People should change by preference for what side they want to play on.

Getting to keep everything is incentive enough. And definitely giving merits, theres no merit in "changing sides"

[freakmon]

Ahem, what about the guys who got it stuck to them day after day ... where's our 'good job for holding the line against significant odds' incentive?

[zatoichimk2]

Ahem, what about the guys who got it stuck to them day after day ... where's our 'good job for holding the line against significant odds' incentive?

All the smacktalk we get XD That's our incentive.

[Narked]

Ahem, what about the guys who got it stuck to them day after day ... where's our 'good job for holding the line against significant odds' incentive?

Ummm.. you got the "WAY TOO MANY TARGETS" bonus whilst that was happening.. remember? :

http://en.board.bigpoint.com/bsgo/showthread.php?t=402449

[galkon777]

I have to agree with Goliath on this one, no bribe for changing sides.

People should change by preference for what side they want to play on.

Getting to keep everything is incentive enough. And definitely giving merits, theres no merit in "changing sides"

ok if people have a side preference than why are they not on the side they wanna play DOH wait they are, the only reason the average joe would switch is for the money

[zatoichimk2]

ok if people have a side preference than why are they not on the side they wanna play DOH wait they are, the only reason the average joe would switch is for the money

The main reason SHOULD be in the interests of balance not for the measly 40k cubits...40k cubits is easily farmed(pull in 100k water from rock popping=20k cub,dailies+the loot you pick up=7-8k cub)that 28k can be done in,3-4hours if you know what you're doing,so say 6-8 hours work for the same given in faction switching.

I don't understand why anyone would solely do it for 40k,you're then put into the weaker side where it'll be harder to get titanium and cubits.

Not that i'm against getting a reward for switching,it just shouldn't be your reason.

[galkon777]

to a certain point your right, but the reward might bee sweetening the deal per se

[freakmon]

Ummm.. you got the "WAY TOO MANY TARGETS" bonus whilst that was happening.. remember? :

http://en.board.bigpoint.com/bsgo/showthread.php?t=402449

Unless you're joking, you're being ignorant. Targets means costs not benefit - screw pvp kills if if means you're doing that INSTEAD of gaining resources to level up your gear. Seriously? You must have been joking. If not, stop replying to my posts, because this is ignorant.

[AlexanderTheGreat]

Actually, they have to get it to work right first before the can figure out whether or not to raise or lower it. I know of myself and at least one other that made the switch over and didn't get the Merits that were stated. Actually was shorted 4,350 of the Merits that were promised..... And aparently there were issues elsewhere on other servers as well....so I say fix that first before deciding higher or lower.
Same here, I still have the 3K merits I had before the switch, nothing new. And to make things worse, my chat is constantly crashing now that I've switched.

[Mistral1]

Unless you're joking, you're being ignorant. Targets means costs not benefit - screw pvp kills if if means you're doing that INSTEAD of gaining resources to level up your gear. Seriously? You must have been joking. If not, stop replying to my posts, because this is ignorant.

So, seriously you would rather spend all your time scanning asteroids and planetoids, and protecting mines against npcs and the occasional human player? Do you have any idea how incredibly boring that gets when that is pretty much all there is to do, apart from the occasional pvp kill ? I have, with a friend, spent hours trying to find more than one human to kill, before just totally giving up. It has got to the point where it is more fun playing a level 4 cylon on Tauron trying to (and succeeding) to take down human ships that were over 70 levels higher.

I would so much rather have the fun of trying to kill other players (and to be honest, I don't care whether I get the pvp kills or not because, amazingly enough, I am playing this game for fun) than spending my time getting tylium etc to level up my stuff.

And ignorance is thinking that others are not allowed to say anything that disagrees with your point of view, so the only ignorance that I can see here is yours.

[zatoichimk2]

So, seriously you would rather spend all your time scanning asteroids and planetoids, and protecting mines against npcs and the occasional human player? Do you have any idea how incredibly boring that gets when that is pretty much all there is to do, apart from the occasional pvp kill ? I have, with a friend, spent hours trying to find more than one human to kill, before just totally giving up. It has got to the point where it is more fun playing a level 4 cylon on Tauron trying to (and succeeding) to take down human ships that were over 70 levels higher.

I would so much rather have the fun of trying to kill other players (and to be honest, I don't care whether I get the pvp kills or not because, amazingly enough, I am playing this game for fun) than spending my time getting tylium etc to level up my stuff.

And ignorance is thinking that others are not allowed to say anything that disagrees with your point of view, so the only ignorance that I can see here is yours.

Yeah,it so boring you stayed with it when there was a way to get more pvp action.

@freak,screw them and screw bp,lets just kill as many of these cockroaches as we can fit in on a day,lets just take the gloves off and make as many cylons as miserable ingame as we can.

[justin94]

Getting back to the original topic, I believe it would be best if players in the winning faction did not get any reward for switching; only the option to switch without loss of skills, level, or equipment. This would eliminate money grabbers and (hopefully) reduce the amount of "traitor-hunting."
On Kobol I am a human, and I actually enjoy being the minority - that's just how I like it. However, it would be nice to get some good fleet battles going.

Justin94

[galkon777]

um good fleet battles arent exactly lacking on kobol... except that lines arent exactly the ship of choice on kobol id say

[freakmon]

So, seriously you would rather spend all your time scanning asteroids and planetoids, and protecting mines against npcs and the occasional human player? Do you have any idea how incredibly boring that gets when that is pretty much all there is to do, apart from the occasional pvp kill ? I have, with a friend, spent hours trying to find more than one human to kill, before just totally giving up. It has got to the point where it is more fun playing a level 4 cylon on Tauron trying to (and succeeding) to take down human ships that were over 70 levels higher.

I would so much rather have the fun of trying to kill other players (and to be honest, I don't care whether I get the pvp kills or not because, amazingly enough, I am playing this game for fun) than spending my time getting tylium etc to level up my stuff.

And ignorance is thinking that others are not allowed to say anything that disagrees with your point of view, so the only ignorance that I can see here is yours.

I never said implied or intimated that I 'would rather spend all my time scanning asteroids ...' As I have asserted, I would like a BALANCED GAME where I can do asteroids, mining, pvp killing op busting op defending, op building, drone clearance, etc. etc. etc. NOT JUST PVP KILLING. Geez .... sometimes I wonder if people even read.

[Mistral1]

Unless you're joking, you're being ignorant. Targets means costs not benefit - screw pvp kills if if means you're doing that INSTEAD of gaining resources to level up your gear. Seriously? You must have been joking. If not, stop replying to my posts, because this is ignorant.

"Screw pvp kills if it means you're doing that INSTEAD of gaining resources" - not "as well as" but just "instead of"

There is not an implication of balance in your sentence. If that is what you meant, then you needed to have worded it better.

Zato - I stayed with it because I have fun playing the game with friends. And shame you had to descend to the level of calling people cockroaches, when all I was doing was challenging Freakmon calling Narked ignorant.