Banned from chat?? [Archive] - Battlestar Galactica Online

EnglishTaco1

02.12.2010, 07:09

From what im understanding the chat system doesnt bann you for saying certain phrases (although it possibly could)

What i think happens when you says somthing like "Burn in hell" like you did for the toaster thing. The system picks out selected words and decides what to do from there.

Just like if i chose to put somthing like

"Go check out my really kool website its *moderated* (made up website)

I would get banned for a set time because i posted a website. Just like if i posted "teamspeak.com" to help another player out in getting it downloaded to speak with other gamers within the game.

teamspeak is really the only site i personally would suggest putting in the chat, techically sites are not allowed to be posted in chat at all. But im myself would overlook it ONLY if it was to help out a fellow player with the game or even discussing or verbally helping a player which is new to the game.

certain things need to be watched in the chat. Just be carful with what you say.

No links that are not BGO or BP related.
MrExtazzy

Olgit

02.12.2010, 12:28

GreyWeasel

02.12.2010, 12:37

I used a lot stronger terms today and haven't been chat banned.

Sorry, I have a real problem with idiocy of some play styles and camping noob area's is one of them. The more it happens, the more vocal I tend to get and the more, expletive.

I don't understand the need to bully in a beta, especially bullying which drives players away from the game that hasn't even been launched yet. This game needs some serious mechanical update's to stop the basic of frustration's.... camping!

Perhaps the need to bully in beta is to show up the possible exploits that open release players may be subjected to. not that I can say thats the motivation for these players but i bet the Devs picked a big enough tester team to make sure this sort of player was represented.

Olgit

03.12.2010, 04:11

It happen's and after hours of waiting around, a force was finally strong enough to move him.

All he really did was prove how much of a D*ck he really was and how badly BGO has mucked up maps and pvp distancing from low to high players. I hope this is resolved quickly in the next builds, to allow players who are of similar level, to come together properly for fun pvp, not one sided pvp which basically drives away potential customers.

It's BGO's choice I suppose..... as this is only my two cents.

To get back on topic though, no filter BGO? Seriously, finally got chat banned and not only are you unable to talk, but you can't see other people talking either, making alerting players of potential threat's in the system, impossible.

Theseus

03.12.2010, 04:26

No idea who you're talking about but I'm confused. So from the posts around here these must be the restrictions on combat:

We can't sit in a system and wait for other players to come in
We can't go out to a system (jump in) and attack another player
We need to wait until the player is of equal rank
We need the player to have an equal ship
We can not have more than an equal amount of players vs them
We can't attack them while they are mining or running assignments
Do you guys honestly see how silly some of you are becoming? These are complaints I've seen on the forums in just the last couple days. I don't know what game you guys are wanting to play here or what you expected from a game that puts one faction against a single other faction in SPACE... but this is getting ridiculous.

The fact is this is a "war game". We are at war with one another. We have the ability to group up to defend one another and it's highly encouraged. Some people will have larger ships, while others will have smaller ones. The battle we get into in any given scenario will NEVER be to our exact liking.

Call me crazy I don't know. I've played almost every MMO out there. I've done hundreds of beta tests, mod testings, demos, etc. I was in the military in an actual real combat zone... PvP/War/Battle/etc is not some thing we can mold to our desire. We're not going to ever have an even playing field.

That said, there are a few things that need to be tweaked. But you guys are getting silly.

GreyWeasel

03.12.2010, 04:43

It happen's and after hours of waiting around, a force was finally strong enough to move him.

All he really did was prove how much of a D*ck he really was... Actually, he tested how much annoyance and grief can be caused in this build. The exploits need testing and doing so does not prove a phallus like personal nature.

...and how badly BGO has mucked up maps and pvp distancing from low to high players. I hope this is resolved quickly in the next builds, to allow players who are of similar level, to come together properly for fun pvp, not one sided pvp which basically drives away potential customers. Err, we have a game based on IP with FTL travel and you want to have the systems restricted somehow...? You wanna come up with something that seems realistic and not the product on bottle feeding, nappy changing GM pandering?

It's BGO's choice I suppose..... as this is only my two cents. Or consequences of the IP.

Oh noez!!!11!! I have jumped into a system where I know the enemy are waiting right by where I appear... Its such a shame I can't do something cool like take 3s to open map, target new system and spool FTL. Oh but the game lets me, perhaps I should try it... Now I just have to learn to point away from the enemy and hit spacebar and pop the odd decoy while I wait 20s...

To get back on topic though, no filter BGO? Seriously, finally got chat banned and not only are you unable to talk, but you can't see other people talking either, making alerting players of potential threat's in the system, impossible. I believe the Dev injoke is that there is a Filter, it chat bans you. 'Finally got chat banned' you say? Sounds like you know you have a foul mouth... Methinks you'll get little sympathy here. Chat is considered a priviledge that gets removed for abuse. They are working on adjusting the penalty times but not the basic system I hear.

Why call someone a Dick (short form of Richard with that capital letter as well as slang for penis) when there are plenty of non swear words you could use to describe your annoyance and opinion? I don't have to swear to call you/someone the progeny of an unmarried woman's commerical liason do I?

GreyWeasel

03.12.2010, 05:05

Odd, double post.

Oh well, so, the above story with the oh noez isn't aimed at you, that was my personal experience the first time I ran into a cylon escort blockade.

and the insult isn't aimed at you either olgit, just a random example.

And +10 to Theseus.

Kazzatso

03.12.2010, 05:08

Theseus, GreyWeasel, +10 to both of you.

EnglishTaco1

03.12.2010, 06:31

We can't sit in a system and wait for other players to come in
We can't go out to a system (jump in) and attack another player
We need to wait until the player is of equal rank
We need the player to have an equal ship
We can not have more than an equal amount of players vs them
We can't attack them while they are mining or running assignmentsthesus i would have to agree with you, your bullets i would have to say the players who are complaining about combat tactics of other plays even skilled players are pathetic.

Have you guys even seen any scifi space movies or even military based movies? even in real life camping is allowed, there is no acceptions to stregth and there is no rules to combat.

why should there be rules in this game regarding combat? No offence to the players but we all are allowed to play the game legally how we chose to. even if it does mean camping or unfair advatages.

Kazzatso

03.12.2010, 09:51

why should there be rules in this game regarding combat? No offence to the players but we all are allowed to play the game legally how we chose to. even if it does mean camping or unfair advatages.

I'd go so far as to argue that unfair advantages are the entire point of war. If you had a force equal in size and strength to your enemy's forces, you'd never choose to go into battle. You'd wait until you had the edge, be it numbers, morale, terrain, etc. Camping (ambushes) and group hunts (superior numbers) are part of that, just on a smaller scale.

EnglishTaco1

03.12.2010, 11:24

I'd go so far as to argue that unfair advantages are the entire point of war. If you had a force equal in size and strength to your enemy's forces, you'd never choose to go into battle. You'd wait until you had the edge, be it numbers, morale, terrain, etc. Camping (ambushes) and group hunts (superior numbers) are part of that, just on a smaller scale.

im not sure how you exactly ment that but that seems to be my point, if you have the advatage then take it. if you dont then wait.

put it short, the stuff people get upset about like camping, unfair advantage, "im to weak and need protection"

All this stuff is apart of combat gaming. All is fair in my opinion.

Look at it this way... Dark Orbit (for those that play or played) FE means your the strongedt you can possibly be in the game, new players get upset that they cant get a start in there ship.

My thought is to wait, the day i became an FE player i just thought to myself towards the enemy players "payback can be a real pain" (maybe not attacking the same players but its somthing we all deal with. even the skilled players know what im talking about.

Olgit

03.12.2010, 16:28

Kazzatso

03.12.2010, 17:25

Outposts will play a role in preventing the griefing. If you get enough new players mining and killing NPC's in a system, you'll very quickly get an outpost ship which you can run to to hide or for defence, not to mention calling other players in the system to help you. Once the game goes live all the accounts will be reset anyways, so everyone's starting from square one. Some players will have more experience, but that will quickly even itself out, and players on both sides will be able to grief each other equally.

If you want to feel safe, though, go out in a group. Any game with fighter craft in it, there's never one lone pilot who's an ace and invincible. They always have at least one wingman to watch their six. I know that if I see a group of a few raiders and heavy raiders, I'm going to think twice before just barreling in with my escort or line ship, and there's no way I'd go in with just my Viper. The odds are way too likely that I'll end up scrapped as well.

GreyWeasel

03.12.2010, 18:05

Kinda went off topic here.... but the real point is..... do you want a game where people will play, or do you want a game pandering to the ones who are strongest and basically drive people from the game in frustration at the starting stages, leaving only a few dedicated who can match the strongest later on?

Griefing isn't fun. It's abusive and hurts the game overall. Even EvE has ways to deal with griefer's in starting type areas and that protection is less and less as you build up, expand and move into the universe. It will need that here, else the negativity alone generated by idiot's griefing will do more harm than good and that's never a good thing during this stage of a game development.

You can continue to ignore it or bash my comment's, but I have been in too many games that failed because they didn't listen to people like myself with a genuine concern. I am here for fun and help test the game, but I know there is a learning curve. It's those next step's and balance issue's that have me concerned at the moment and that already is leading to where this topic started, to frustration's on chat, that ultimatly get us banned, because some "indervidual" thought it was fun to camp new players/testers. That didn't help.... it just lead to frustration to which many cylon's just left and went back to whatever game they are having fun with.

I do understand your concern, its just that as I have said, you want to try coming up with a way to restrict the systems and keep this protection you want without making it look like a milk sop from the GMs? We got FTL in this IP. Test the game a bit and see if you can find a solution that would feel right within the IP...

And I am getting rather sick of you throwing insults at this 'griefer'. Thats a fellow tester you are talking about. And it they weren't testing the game the way they are, you wouldn't know there was an issue to report... call it grief testing if it makes you feel better. 'Cos it should, that way, in game, his job is to simulate griefing you and your job is to simulate player annoyance, (perhaps even testing the chat filter :) ), and finding ways in current gameplay to avoid the grief. Then you can take your responses and opinions about the incident and avoid the personal insults and bad feeling you are giving yourself cos then yo are both working on the same goal.

Perhaps you miss the point of closed beta testing. Its not just a giant excuse play the game before everyone else, its also a volunteer job making sure things are right for real customers later. Heck, I spent 8 hours testing this game yesterday and thats when it wasn't letting me log on. If I was just going to give up when the testing wasn't fun then I shouldn't be here, nor should these players if they 'went back to whatever game they were having fun with' - thats just the same as 'I have found a fault that makes the game not fun so I'll stop playing and go play something else...' - none of the bugs enhance fun and gameplay or we wouldn't need to be testing for them.

At the very least this prompts the need to work out, within the context of the gameplay, style and IP, what counts as 'griefing'. Then solutions can be devised.

In other words, perhaps, in a war genre with a resourse crisis, disrupting low end players is part of the feel wanted/needed for IP and so system wide protection isn't appropriate. Perhaps its just jump point camping, something that wouldn't be an issue if we had the IP level of destination control. And then all that might be needed is to make sure that each factions jumppoint was a focal point for NPC patrols and spawns, as a beach head into the system.

Just remember, the Devs have put 'Farm low level PCs' missions in the game. Wipe out an ever increasing number of PCs daily to get your cubits and experience.

Theseus

03.12.2010, 19:01

Can we move this as it REALLY should not be in the public forum. I didn't realize that before I posted above. But it shouldn't be here. :P

GreyWeasel

03.12.2010, 19:21

Can we move this as it REALLY should not be in the public forum. I didn't realize that before I posted above. But it shouldn't be here. :P

Eggs, my bad too, didn't see that, thought we was Beta Chitchat :/

Olgit

03.12.2010, 21:15

He's still been "Testing" today in the same location. Sorry you don't like him being called "Griefer" but he's taken up that mantle and is abusing it for all it's worth. We know it can cause problems, we know he's over powered and we know he can kill low tester's with a nuke. Seriously... enough with defending him and maybe ask him to lay off being a bully, so we can test.

I've said my piece on this matter and hope that BGO Dev's listen to reason.

GreyWeasel

04.12.2010, 02:13

removed cos its teh wrong place.

Theseus

04.12.2010, 02:14

Moderators... this thread needs to move.

Nick-Nugget

04.12.2010, 04:51

I agree it definitely need to be moved, saw this just now otherwise I would have it moved sooner.

Theseus

09.12.2010, 08:17

EnglishTaco1

09.12.2010, 08:55

Another closed thread led here. I can't help but laugh when people are complaining about getting chat banned. "One slipped word"... it takes a conscious effort to type out a curse word in this game. It makes me laugh literally out loud that people have this hard of a time with this.

i agree with you homes. i got banned the other day by mistake. I was talking to sombody on an Instant Messanger and got the 2 confused and said somthing in chat instead.

I do have to admit it is quite funny to see a thread of basicly saying "What the heck?!?!? i didnt do anything wrong"

Shadowspawn

09.12.2010, 11:10

Another closed thread led here. I can't help but laugh when people are complaining about getting chat banned. "One slipped word"... it takes a conscious effort to type out a curse word in this game. It makes me laugh literally out loud that people have this hard of a time with this.
Yup, no such thing as a "mistake" or "slip of the tongue" when you have to type the words out and then hit the Enter key to submit. That takes a conscious effort.

GreyWeasel

09.12.2010, 18:15

Yup, no such thing as a "mistake" or "slip of the tongue" when you have to type the words out and then hit the Enter key to submit. That takes a conscious effort.

Yup, even if I have seen people complain that they type faster than they speak, do they really type faster then they think?

Practically, yes.

Its still one finger at a time, letter by letter.

Type slower if you can't think faster.

Harfang

09.12.2010, 22:51

No strong terms, I was just too enthousiastic to find Spanish and Latin American mates and I wrote one message in spanish in the chat. I just forgot I may not... Result : banned for a while !

EnglishTaco1

10.12.2010, 00:18

No strong terms, I was just too enthousiastic to find Spanish and Latin American mates and I wrote one message in spanish in the chat. I just forgot I may not... Result : banned for a while !

lol ya, when i was playing DO i did some spanish just joking around and everybody knew that. but you gata be carful as to what lagnuage your typing in on which server

hawkbs

11.12.2010, 16:45

Id like to know if any of the devs have slipped up themselves and wound up on the ban list lol.

EnglishTaco1

11.12.2010, 19:24

Id like to know if any of the devs have slipped up themselves and wound up on the ban list lol.

i never though of that. got me a little curious now. love the signature of evolution by the way :)

slymoon

11.12.2010, 21:00

Looks like mr nugget killed my banable word list thread as there is already a thread on it. Ie here...

I do fail to see a list or in fact an on topic thread. However I will comply and add any word I find here

1. Crud
2.

Broken_Digit1

11.12.2010, 21:11

CaptainBinky

11.12.2010, 21:17

After pointing out that kids today eat Sugar Puffs, possibly also use puff pastry in cooking at school, watch the Powerpuff Girls when they get home or listen to Puff Daddy, my appeal was denied :p

:D Reminds me of that chap who had his account suspended on XBLA because he'd incorporated his surname into his username, "Gay". Harsh.

I would have thought that simple text substitution with "Frak" would suffice. Would also lead to some amusing sentences when a word is used in its innocent context ;)

GreyWeasel

11.12.2010, 21:28

Well I've not tested it here and not willing to risk it, but, on DO, 'puff' is bannable, as in 'I've sprinted across the system puff pant'.

lol, well, I wouldn't try it here then. We have had hints that the filter list has been made with consultation from child services and legal council.

My guess is that 'puff' must trigger some drug connotation... :p

Broken_Digit1

11.12.2010, 21:37

lol, well, I wouldn't try it here then. We have had hints that the filter list has been made with consultation from child services and legal council.

My guess is that 'puff' must trigger some drug connotation... :p

Mine too, I guess I made a right hash of things by choosing to use it when I did :rolleyes:

Frenz0rz

11.12.2010, 22:04

I would have thought that simple text substitution with "Frak" would suffice. Would also lead to some amusing sentences when a word is used in its innocent context ;)

I've talked about this with people a lot, and everyone seems to agree it would be a great idea - anything at all deemed a verbal insult should simply be replaced with 'Frak'. Actually makes me wonder... is there a Cylon equivalent?

CaptainBinky

11.12.2010, 22:13

I've talked about this with people a lot, and everyone seems to agree it would be a great idea - anything at all deemed a verbal insult should simply be replaced with 'Frak'. Actually makes me wonder... is there a Cylon equivalent?

I think it would be as in, "Argh! I've just been killed by an ERROR NEUROLOGICAL PROCESSES INCOMPATIBLE WITH EXISTING LEXICOGRAPHICAL DATABASE-ing Colonial!"

Broken_Digit1

11.12.2010, 22:14

I've talked about this with people a lot, and everyone seems to agree it would be a great idea - anything at all deemed a verbal insult should simply be replaced with 'Frak'. Actually makes me wonder... is there a Cylon equivalent?

a) That would work a treat, and also, lessen a lot of workload for support and forum mods, with the countless 'banned for saying yah-de-yah' threads and emails.

b) Interestingly I just Googled 'Cylon swear words', the Wiki link contains a tenous 'Orthopox states it is "an ancient Cylon curse word." Like all good things, we got there first :)

edit :

c) I've just remembered the Travian forum filter uses 'psychophysical parallelism (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=OXY&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&&sa=X&ei=fvgDTff2G8G2hAfSy7ztBw&ved=0CBYQvwUoAQ&q=psychophysical+parallelism+travian&spell=1)' as default, by the time people have looked it up they have usually cooled down. Fwiw they (Travian) are also a Gmbh Co.

GreyWeasel

11.12.2010, 22:54

Yes but its just a pipe dream to think that any filter system will be perfect.

It'll take a joint effort on the part of players and devs to get this running right.

But I have high expectations that all will be well.

slymoon

12.12.2010, 17:58

This is a rather deep question that I have had in real life... I posed this to a mormon friend of mine. He does not curse, but uses substitutive words such as:
Fudge, Aw Poop etc...

So the question is:
When does a substitutive word that is used for profanity then become profanity? How many times does fudge get used for f*c* before it is understood by everyone that fudge is a loophole in profanity?

It has been one of my peeves for a long time. If you use a word that is not an expletive as an expletive then it might as well be the expletive. Is it the sound that is offensive or the meaning? I vote for the meaning.

For example:

"Frak you! You pencil necked Frakker. I'll Frakking Frak her if I wanna Frak her!"

That is *full* actually is totally offensive but alas I used no 'profanity'. I call bull on that, as my meaning is very clear in the above statment.

And yes, I actually do use profanity in real life. alot. and freely. except around my child, inlaws, fellow professionals etc...

Canis

12.12.2010, 18:26

I agree with slymoon totally. And as far as the chat bans... I think the system needs a little tweeking. But , that is after all, why we are in a closed beta right now.

As far as the cursing in game goes...... I don't see any reason why a decent percentage of players for this game , when it goes full release , won't be younger..... much younger then lets say 18 years old.
Now similiar to slymoon I curse openly and freely at times . But not in game. I don't know anyone well enough to risk insulting them with my foul mouth. This would obviously translate to typing in chats as well as on my mic. Especially if that someone was another fathers( I have two kids) little boy or girl, who is just trying to play a really awsome online game.

gobone

13.12.2010, 08:18

I agree with slymoon and canis using secondary words to cover the swear words or bad language of any kind is wrong. People need to learn to communicate with out using there 100 words of limited basic animal speech. It may sound harsh but I don't even agree with the use of frak because we all know what it means at the end of the day and should realise that it wont be long before this example leads to people creating new words to insult each other.

"You dirty piece of fraking human excrement" comes to mind and I believe this can be a lot harsher language to the people that understand it.

I think that words should be flagged up and if a user breeches a allotted amount of infractions then a game moderator is called to review his or her typing log. Then if the person is found to be "scum of the Earth" type or primeval human limited to four letter words and below always resulting in profanity then they can give them a little ban from chat ad the game until they learn there lesson.

I also think there should be some words that will result it a outright ban from the game completely, we all know these words and I would not lower myself in providing examples.

But as a idea words revolving around sexual violence or racism.

scottyg_20

13.12.2010, 21:25

I am not going to read this whole thread. Just want to throw in my vote that this needs to change.

I don't insult people, or make racial slurs. But i swear. I am a big boy and play with other big boys.

When i get my ass whooped i tend to say things like s**t, and f***. I don't care if you censor me, seeing %#$%#$ go across the screen gets the same message out, but banning for saying one word is so friggin annoying.

happened twice now, just for saying shit after i died.

Very flawed system, but i get it, its beta, just hoping it changes.

edit- and why am i allowed to swear in forums, i thought it would censor that stuff out ??? lol...

fine i will censor myself....

GreyWeasel

13.12.2010, 21:39

I don't insult people, or make racial slurs. But i swear. I am a big boy and play with other big boys. 'cept the game is designed for a full age range market...

When i get my ass whooped i tend to say things like s**t, and f***. ya know, try saying them, instead of typing them, at least if you aren't on TS...

I don't care if you censor me, seeing %#$%#$ go across the screen gets the same message out... exactly when starring out swears doesn't work - people know you were venting vile...

...but banning for saying one word is so friggin annoying.not saying, typing. And it'll stop when you stop swearing.

Canis

13.12.2010, 23:26

fine i will censor myself....

Forgot that one greyweasel !! It's the best part of the post. No isnsult meant to Scottyg_20 , sir. But as Mr. Greyweasel mentioned , this game is meant for men , women and children of all ages to get together and enjoy . If you must curse when you die , then curse out loud to yourself... I know I have on occasion lol ! But as I said in my thread , I don't curse in game or on TS simply because I don't know who might hear it . If it were my kids on the other end .... I would be upset .

What it all boils down to is respect and the company you are keeping at the time. Sure if I am on TS and everyone's curseing up a storm... I will burn thier ears with my curseing. And I personally play a bunch of online games via Steam., Like L4D 1 and 2 . These games are rated 18+ years.. I know alot of kids play it but most of the time I curse freely . If I know I am playing with a kid ( on a mic) then I simply don't curse . And I also ask them : " Do your parents actually let you play this ? "

slymoon

13.12.2010, 23:38

To back up Canis, the key is respect.

Understand and appreciate that the person on the other end of the connection may share your interest in gaming. But maybe not anything else.

Respect that the other person may be a child or your super religious grandmother. Just be civi and hold your typing to socially acceptable norms and the rules of this game.

We are all in agreement that the ban filter as it stands is much overkill and the devs have stated it will change some.

(btw if you type) " Wow i bet he is pissed" you will get banned for 4+ hours. "Crud" as mentioned will also get you banned for several hours.

Aside from what seem like overkill words, we should be able to keep the obvious expletives at bay.

Shadowspawn

14.12.2010, 12:48

I don't insult people, or make racial slurs. But i swear. I am a big boy and play with other big boys.

What you are missing is the fact that this game is not rated M for mature, but T for teen, and will have corresponding language control as per the child protective laws of the country of origin. Whether you agree with it or not, you are also playing with "little boys and girls" who do not need to read swearing going across their screen. It's the law, get over it and deal with it. Your only other choice is to say goodbye and go back to one of those games that allow to you swear to your heart's content. Additionally, many people consider someone who swears around them (not at them, just around) to possess a complete lack of respect for others, and yes, they find it insulting as well.

......banning for saying one word is so friggin annoying.

You didn't "say" any word, you typed it, which takes a conscious decision on your part to type the word out and then hit Enter. In the future, stop yourself before you hit Enter and you'll have no problems.

happened twice now, just for saying shit after i died.

That was one time too many. You should have learned from the first time. Also, you didn't say it, you typed it, which took a conscious decision on your part to do.

Very flawed system, but i get it, its beta, just hoping it changes.

It is a bit severe with the punishment, even the Devs admit that, but the one thing that will not change is that swearing will not be allowed period. Accept it and control your urges.

edit- and why am i allowed to swear in forums, i thought it would censor that stuff out ??? lol...

fine i will censor myself....

You missed a couple...

GreyWeasel

14.12.2010, 14:13

+1 to Shadowspawn

CaptainBinky

14.12.2010, 14:16

I don't have a problem with having a chat ban, or censoring words or anything like that because I tend not to swear much.

HOWEVER - just saying to someone, "oh well you should just control your urges" etc. Well, it's not as simple as that. Swearing is a part of language, to a greater or lesser degree depending on where you live. It's not always a case of deliberately being vulgar, these words are just a natural part of expression and pretty much hard-wired in. The fact that some people take an almost pathological dislike of certain words does not make people who take the opposite stance disrespectful or rude. Unless they are being deliberately rude, of course, but then you can be rude without swearing.

Failing to print the entire string if it contains inappropriate words would be the ideal solution. That way, people who would have a problem with replacement words or asterisks due to their implied meaning are happy, and those who can't help but pop out a swear word from time to time, or use a word in its innocent context are not penalised for it.

But you can guarantee that people will circumvent any system by using mis-spelled words and such-like. But as long as there is a report feature for frequent offenders, this can be managed.

scottyg_20

14.12.2010, 16:53

Forgot that one greyweasel !! It's the best part of the post. No isnsult meant to Scottyg_20 , sir. But as Mr. Greyweasel mentioned , this game is meant for men , women and children of all ages to get together and enjoy . If you must curse when you die , then curse out loud to yourself... I know I have on occasion lol ! But as I said in my thread , I don't curse in game or on TS simply because I don't know who might hear it . If it were my kids on the other end .... I would be upset .

What it all boils down to is respect and the company you are keeping at the time. Sure if I am on TS and everyone's curseing up a storm... I will burn thier ears with my curseing. And I personally play a bunch of online games via Steam., Like L4D 1 and 2 . These games are rated 18+ years.. I know alot of kids play it but most of the time I curse freely . If I know I am playing with a kid ( on a mic) then I simply don't curse . And I also ask them : " Do your parents actually let you play this ? "

Ok

I hear what you are all saying.

I can live with that, I still prefer a simple filter (i liked games where they changed your word to something else, was always funnier anyway).

The other option, which is much better is to simply do like forums do. Not let you post with that word.

If i write in chat, swear swear mcswear or whatever, just pop up a system message saying dont swear, or you cant say that etc. Dont ban someone for their nature.

I dont swear around children, and i get it that kids could be playing. But most games i play, it doesn't matter, so for me its second nature to type in. "Oh shit man, did you see that??". etc etc....

That would ban me for whoever knows how long, I can't change over night, but this banning is too much imo.

At least let me whisper to someone.

I said something else last night (the word shit again) in a sentence, while discussing tactics with a couple pilots and it banned me. I couldn't even tell them i was logging because i got banned. I just suddenly went silent, then disappeared. ... I felt so rude lol.

argh

scottyg_20

14.12.2010, 16:56

scottyg_20

14.12.2010, 17:08

What you are missing is the fact that this game is not rated M for mature, but T for teen, and will have corresponding language control as per the child protective laws of the country of origin. Whether you agree with it or not, you are also playing with "little boys and girls" who do not need to read swearing going across their screen. It's the law, get over it and deal with it. Your only other choice is to say goodbye and go back to one of those games that allow to you swear to your heart's content. Additionally, many people consider someone who swears around them (not at them, just around) to possess a complete lack of respect for others, and yes, they find it insulting as well.

You didn't "say" any word, you typed it, which takes a conscious decision on your part to type the word out and then hit Enter. In the future, stop yourself before you hit Enter and you'll have no problems.

That was one time too many. You should have learned from the first time. Also, you didn't say it, you typed it, which took a conscious decision on your part to do.

It is a bit severe with the punishment, even the Devs admit that, but the one thing that will not change is that swearing will not be allowed period. Accept it and control your urges.

You missed a couple...

oh common. I made a conscious decision to type it and push enter???

I grew up typing on computers and have long outgrown the 2 finger think about what im typing. Its just another form of communication. In the heat of battle, my fingers can hit enter and have a sentence out in a second.....

This is the same as when your friend is around you and accidentally says shit during a conversation. He knows you dont like swearing but it still may slip out. Its the same for people who swear.

Typing for some people may be a conscious decision and they sit there and re-read what they wrote before hitting enter, but for people who communicate through it (in social ways, not work related), it becomes second nature.

This conversation is getting too deep. All i want is to not be banned every time i slip and say shit.

As you have already said, the devs know its a little harsh and they are looking at it. Fine... issue over.

I can't help but feel im being attacked here because of how i talk...... im not here to debate about how i talk.

Sorry for making 3 posts.

slymoon

14.12.2010, 17:59

I hear you Scottyg i really do.

But 'thems the brakes' you have to learn which words are acceptable in this system and which are not. Unfortunately most of the in game learning is a ban stick for *x* amount of time.

What really gets me is it ceases *all* chat both ways, so you can not even listen in anymore. Complete lack of communication. Though I have attempted to 'nod' and 'shake' and other wise 'say' something by ship controls. Unfortunately I dont know if it gets through...

Usually I just get Larommi just 'nodding' and 'shaking' back at me in his raider. =D

Edit:
For the time being though Grimm has graciously offered his Teamspeak server for use with private channels etc...

Cedron

17.12.2010, 20:19

The game has decided that i'm flooding chat and i can no longer speak in squad or system chat.

c0mad0r

17.12.2010, 22:13

The game has decided that i'm flooding chat and i can no longer speak in squad or system chat.

This happens to EVERYONE at least once. Here's what happens:

1) You chat to someone
2) You try to take some WSDA movement which then populates the text field with lots of character repeats
3) You see it there and say darnit! Hit enter to clear it, then click on the screen to get WSDA controls again
4) Chat system says you are flooding chat

You can also get banned for using symbols such as @ and http:// as it is trying to prevent bots from logging in and spamming the public chat with "Need Gold? Buy gold with real money at http://rg2ae9g.moolah.com" types of messages.

While annoying, I'd rather the temp ban than get bots annoying everyone with spam messages.

ethantokes

17.12.2010, 23:38

why not just not allow that specific message to be sent, why would you ban someone for bad words lol. how funny but actually very annoying because unlike all the perfect people here, i accidently curse a lot. :P

maybe i r dumb?

Mars-Five

18.12.2010, 02:33

I got banned about a week ago without using any swears or other inappropriate language... All I was saying was stuff like: "He's on me", or "He's over that way, go get him". I even checked my last posts after I was banned (and told in TeamSpeak a ban would have been for swearing) and I did not see any swears, even by accident (as in a typo of "hit" with an accidental extra letter).

I'm not sure what set off the ban filter, but clearly it was a bug. And the worst part is that, for some reason, probably also a bug, I'm still banned from the system...

Mars-Five

18.12.2010, 04:55

REAPER641

22.12.2010, 00:17

Other issues are that it seems the cylons can shoot down our missels and our missels are not hitting the targets. I could see if it like 3/4 but it seems all of them. The nukes cost way too much now excessive and prohibitive. then there is the defeat message which makes me feel as if I am watching paint dry. Very slow and very boring.

Oh lords of Kobol hear my prayers!!!!!

Theseus

22.12.2010, 17:27

carolemmm

22.12.2010, 17:56

GreyWeasel

22.12.2010, 18:51

I'd like to point out that League of legend, a mmo game, has a cursing filter where cursing become ****. Yet if you don't want that filter you can remove it in option. That game is also rated T for teen.
kids that doesn't know what **** means will never know it unless they remove the filter then now it's their problem.

This type of filtering has been raised here before.

Kids may not know which words go with teh **** but I am pretty sure none are dumb enough to not know something rude is being said if I tell you to go **** yourself, you **** sucking *** licking mother ****ing ****er of little children... <not that I am, just an example...>

And then you give them the option of turning off the filter to find out all these 'cool' (because they are hidden) words that 'adults' are using... Like they aren't going to do that... And yes, BP can get blamed for allowing them the option to do so, same as entrapment.

Amusing related thought - there was a comments letter in my local newpaper the other day. A mother was having a problem with some Barbie webiste as she couldn't get it to register her daughters interest in ballet. Next day someone wrote in and told them about wildcard filtering and pointed out it was lucky they weren't from Scunthorpe...

scottyg_20

24.12.2010, 00:57

we need to be able to toggle the filter... put in a darned parental control password for all i care. If the kid can figure out how to by pass the parental controls.. then he's old enough to have seen/heard swearing.. and its the parents problem.

This whole argument can totally come back to the over arching story about how parents don't pay attention to what their children are doing on the computer... there's cursing on so many websites out there, if a kid is playing this game he/she has probably been there too.

If the devs are just trying to CYA, then fine, but at least lessen the severity.

GreyWeasel

24.12.2010, 01:22

This whole argument can totally come back to the over arching story about how parents don't pay attention to what their children are doing on the computer... there's cursing on so many websites out there, if a kid is playing this game he/she has probably been there too.

Hmmm, no.

Parents can't monitor their children at all times. Often they have to rely on the supervision of others in positions of responsibility, such as teachers while the child is at school for 8 hours a day. Its about trusting the people that you do leave in charge of your children.

Bigpoint is offering a game for all ages and as such are commiting themselves to offering the sort of protection a parent would want to be able to feel they could give permission for their child to play the game.

But on the flip side, whats your fasination with swearing? Why do you need to be able to use them and hear others use them? What would the game gain by allowing them?

[Anubis]

29.12.2010, 10:35

is there a way to see how long a ban will last?

-boxer-

01.01.2011, 16:45

dear Nick-Nugget (http://en.board.bigpoint.com/bgo/member.php?u=826406)
in response to your reply and info on my chat ban not sure how i type'd ffs but i can only emagine it was something to do with my wasd controls as i was not curently talking perhaps we should be able to turn chat off perhaps

Nick-Nugget

01.01.2011, 23:41

@ Anubis
Usually a ban lasts 24h

@Boxer
That´s what the system said, banned for "ffs". We all know the chat filter is very strict so be more careful in the future what you are typing ;)

Vanguard

02.01.2011, 03:37

Okay, just got nailed by the chat filter so to everyone that was talking to me in chat, the sudden silence was that. Not me ignoring you. :)

Secondly, if the chat filter is going to be that strict than can we please get some type of warning before the ban hammer drops? Especially since we don't know which words will trigger the ban.

Thirdly, can we get some kind of message to be auto sent to someone that's trying to whisper us letting them know that we've been banned from chat and can't even see their message?

Fourthly, why is it that we're not only banned from talking but from seeing what everyone else is saying? Isn't that kinda much?

GreyWeasel

02.01.2011, 04:06

Fourthly, why is it that we're not only banned from talking but from seeing what everyone else is saying? Isn't that kinda much?

Thats to rub in the fact that you have been naughty and had your chat priviledges revoked while everyone else that behaves is still allowed to talk... :p

Vanguard

02.01.2011, 04:14

Thats to rub in the fact that you have been naughty and had your chat priviledges revoked while everyone else that behaves is still allowed to talk... :p

LOL. In that case, why don't they just park our viper (or raider) in a corner in the hanger with a pointy hat stuck on the cockpit? :)

Seriously, I can understand wanting to have a clean community and all. But, and as has been pointed out, the filter needs to be relaxed a bit or we need to be given a warning like "Improper language use. you have been warned, if it happens again, you will be banned for 24hrs". Something like that . . and maybe highlight the naughty word . . .

Although, getting banned for "crap" is well . . crap. Considering I can say that word at my work place and not get taken to HR for it.

isgod

02.01.2011, 07:14

nick i know you closed my thread on chat gag words but i thought itd be easier for players to identify which words that are not bannable on other games but are on this one as a way to keep from getting a chat gag.

anyways could you close this one too,start a new one compiled with a list of words in the first post and updated it for us?

itd be easier than looking thru 3 pages of posts.

(p.s. im in no way talking about the obvious words)

thnx in advance

Nick-Nugget

02.01.2011, 07:27

Post a list with words you know they ban you and i´ll edit it into the first post of this thread, ok ?

isgod

02.01.2011, 07:55

current list of known words (outside the obvious ones) that will result in a ban :

jerk
arse
por favor
douche
sux
wtf
crap
hell
crud

you know i finally read this entire thread.alot of things were said about courtesy,respect,etc. this post (not thread,just my post) isnt for those that disrespect others. this is for those who are banned for words no one in their right mind would think are bannable offenses on an mmo. im mean,cmon, crud lol?

if youre running around disrespecting players then these words are the least of your problems.

feel free to add if u get an out-of-left-field ban for a typically non-bannable choice of words.

thnx again nick:)

ChristopherXen

02.01.2011, 12:11

The system deffinately is way to restrictive. I think just a simple Toggle filter on and off or even an auto-filter would be better than insta ban.

BUT im sure someone recommended that, didnt read through the whole post. My ban was from saying, in referance to a system convo about NPCs, that Line ship NPCs can be a b***h

Nick-Nugget

02.01.2011, 12:17

jerk
arse
por favor
douche
sux
wtf
crap
hell
crud

Just used all of those words on the eu-server and my chat is still working ...

isgod

02.01.2011, 12:19

maybe its a different list for each or bugged.

i know i used por favor,sux and wtf. all three resulted in a ban.

edit : all but wtf resulted in a 1 hour ban,wtf was a 24h

Nick-Nugget

02.01.2011, 12:26

Tested lots of bad words but nothing happened...

Vanguard

03.01.2011, 14:03

Could it be because you're a mod and not just a normal tester?

'cause I used "crap" and got banned. It was the other day when you said that upgraded vipers cost 100k tylium (or something like that).

Husker

03.01.2011, 14:56

Crap should now don't cause a ban from chat.

abelha2

03.01.2011, 23:03

Douche bans you. That is a genuine women product!

c0mad0r

04.01.2011, 08:04

Honestly, when I BETA tested WoW we had originally planned to go live using something similar to what the BGO group is doing now, but failed as it was resulting in FAR FAR FAR too much hands-on management:

1) The helpdesk had the pleasure of having countless tickets to reply to regarding the issue. The words with the most complaints made it to our QA Department for analysis.

2) Someone almost had a full-time job adding/modifying filter options due to various languages with words that matched filtered words. Even valid English words like sexist for example still popped up months later and were causing a chat ban for having the prefixed base "sex". Unless you cover the ENTIRE dictionary and are strict on English being the only spoken language in-game (which I cannot see how you would be), this feature will have a lot of management.

3) Project Management finally got wind of the chat filter complaints and told us to do something about it as it was stalling game development.

The result of all this? Using the filter to convert forbidden words to ****** with an option to disable the filter in the control panel.

Let the people be liable for their actions (enable/disable filter checkbox in Options) and only ban flood chats or URL addresses in order to counter bots and others trying to sell things to players.

GreyWeasel

04.01.2011, 09:08

Well, WoW are a bunch of sheckle grubbers with a heavy focus on the bottom line...

I'd hate to think innovation and human inventivness had all been used up and there was nothing new in the world that would work...

Besides, once a language specific censor dictionary is done, it will be onsellable to other games that want to run a similar system. Lol, including WoW ;)

But, on a more amusing note, there wasa snippet in my local paper from a mother trying to get her daughter signed up for a Barbie site. Problem was it would keep telling her that ballet was unacceptable language... ...next day someone wrote in and explained 'wildcard' matching and pointed out it was lucky the family wasn't from Scunthorpe... :)

c0mad0r

04.01.2011, 18:15

Well, WoW are a bunch of sheckle grubbers with a heavy focus on the bottom line...

Hate to break the bad news to you, but EVERY game studio works for the bottom line now a days. In case you haven't noticed lately, there are only a handful of independent game studios still out there as they have all been gobbled up by the likes of EA, 2KGames, and others. As such, game development is not as much fun as it used to be and the reason I got out of the business.

Besides, once a language specific censor dictionary is done, it will be onsellable to other games that want to run a similar system. Lol, including WoW

Not true. Languages change daily and new words and/or acronyms are constantly coming and going. So, selling a filter dictionary as a generic and resell-able item has about the same longevity as your computer. What's worse is that the format of such a word set would have to be plain text in order to easily integrate into any number of program languages and/or databases. Once that is done, you now have to modify it to conform to the standards of the game. So now we're talking 1.2 million lines of text for JUST the English language... How are you going to parse that instantly for several million players again?

Sorry, it just doesn't work that way. You allow all words and make a list of denied words only. Even that list itself is in constant flux and needs to be tweaked to the point where it looks like a spamassassin, Postini, or simple Oulook mail filter of wildcards and place holders.

skullscar

04.01.2011, 18:26

wtf
crap
shit

last one was accident really and i was like "oh nooooooooooooo..... not my chat thingie"... but nothing happened hehe... and it was all in system chat.
and please "damn"..... dont ban that PLEASE... its my number 1 word i say when im angry

isgod

05.01.2011, 07:46

dude i just got your message has been declined'd by sux.

right now,just happened yep. i trusted you nick...u said it was ok... THE SHAME !!! :) lol

edit: add "wankers". it results in "you has been banned".

also...you guys know clearing unity cache removes the ban right? not sure if thats the expected behavior or not,im assuming not.

GreyWeasel

05.01.2011, 08:55

Hate to break the bad news to you, but EVERY game studio works for the bottom line now a days.Lol, every single commercial company works for the bottom line, some are just much more cut throat about it than others.

In case you haven't noticed lately, there are only a handful of independent game studios still out there as they have all been gobbled up by the likes of EA, 2KGames, and others. As such, game development is not as much fun as it used to be and the reason I got out of the business.Depends what you mean by independent I suppose. But then this company is owned in part by NBC-Universal so I doubt if it counts.

Not true. Languages change daily and new words and/or acronyms are constantly coming and going.I am aware of the fluid nature of language. Although if you go by major dictionaries, not that many are official.
So, selling a filter dictionary as a generic and resell-able item has about the same longevity as your computer.lol, my computer is around 6 years old and still works fine :)

What's worse is that the format of such a word set would have to be plain text in order to easily integrate into any number of program languages and/or databases. any text format would do...

Once that is done, you now have to modify it to conform to the standards of the game.Leave that to the company that want to import the filter.

So now we're talking 1.2 million lines of text for JUST the English language... How are you going to parse that instantly for several million players again?instantly?

Sorry, it just doesn't work that way. You allow all words and make a list of denied words only. Even that list itself is in constant flux and needs to be tweaked to the point where it looks like a spamassassin, Postini, or simple Oulook mail filter of wildcards and place holders.Sure sure, any of these systems are going to need a Moderator to look after them on an ongoing basis. What you seem to miss is that this is going to be required work no matter what you do with the list afterwards...

Message blocking and banhammering have to come from a detectable list of words. ****ing out words has to come from a detectable list of words. Where did the work load change?

Innovation stops when people just keep copying previously used methods.

Point is still that onc someone has a good system organised, other companies can use the same. Buy the BP filter system and get weekly or monthly updates for each language you want to use, paying an ongoing fee for the service. Got to be cheaper than employing your very own language expert every single game that comes out...

Kinda like not writing a new physics engine for every game and just buying access to someone else's, like Unity.

c0mad0r

07.01.2011, 08:31

I got banned today for something rather unusual...

get'tem or gettem or gettem!

A slang word for "get them".

Again, one of the many reasons this chat filter ban idea is going to flop, sorry.

SYSTEM: YOUR MESSAGE HAS BEEN DECLINED

WyMeP

11.01.2011, 09:56

Didn't even think about being able to be banned before I got it. I do support the idea of clean chat and I think it is wrong to have foul language in it. Nevertheless, we are all alive here (cylons as well) and we tend to stress out, so we might say something bad but that should only be considered as a good thing. People have to live in game in order to like it and spend money on it and I suppose the flow of real money is what you would want to see.

I’ve got banned for 1 word and it made me feel unwanted in the game. It’s like you are trying to change people’s behavior and punish them, I doubt that many people will still want to spend the money.

I’m not saying that everyone should start to use inappropriate language, but banning for something like that is not good for the game as well. I am totally in favor of changing words with **** and giving the notice to stop doing it.

I believe that accidental use is not a crime, person has to be worned. If this person proceeds then you are entitled to do whatever you see fit.

Sadiro

12.01.2011, 04:36

GreyWeasel

12.01.2011, 06:01

Thats my choice- And this game strikes me as a more "Older" age category - So maturity is valued here.

Game is intended as a General release and so age concious content is always going to part of the package.

japanitrat

12.01.2011, 20:14

this chat ban is ridiculous. can't even read something. seems as devs and publishers like to treat players like kindergarten kids. shame it is.

GreyWeasel

12.01.2011, 20:32

this chat ban is ridiculous. can't even read something. seems as devs and publishers like to treat players like kindergarten kids. shame it is.

Chatban only stops you sending messages, you still get to read everyone elses, almost to rub your ban in even more.

If you can't read anything then it means the chat channel has gone down again and its generally universal although I have heard of on Side being affected and not the other.

japanitrat

12.01.2011, 21:13

okay, thats weird then, because the chat went away after i got the ban-message.

Petraeus

12.01.2011, 21:15

Ok I launched this game and chose Humans. Then Starbuck told me a lot of crap before saying there was a Cylon raider which there wasn't. THen I restarted it and after she said there was a Cylon, some blue bullets apeared and then the game dissappeared into one big random view of space. Then I tried playing the Ceylon's but after getting to the asteroid where you wait for the big guns, it crashed and in both instances it wouldn't let me activate my guns. Any idea's people??

tsax421

13.01.2011, 08:24

Well I've not tested it here and not willing to risk it, but, on DO, 'puff' is bannable, as in 'I've sprinted across the system puff pant'.

I had a long conversation with Support about it, including the first few emails where they denied I'd even been banned, they had to log on and try it for themselves.

After pointing out that kids today eat Sugar Puffs, possibly also use puff pastry in cooking at school, watch the Powerpuff Girls when they get home or listen to Puff Daddy, my appeal was denied :p
Well, seeing as how this is an online game and almost all online games have a warning that the experience may change with online play, maybe BGO should have a filter that you can turn on and off as opposed to trying to clean up a video game based in a universe where almost the whole human race has been obliterated, the humans are having a witch hunt for Gaius Baltar, and, if -ahem- *in his Tigh voice* "They're on the frakkin' ship!!!".

I understand they want kids to play this game maybe, but these kids have probably heard these words. These kids have probably heard worse. And with a optional text filter, maybe with a list of people who are excessively vocal in swearing that are simply ignored for those with the filter on, you might keep some players. Devs are gonna have to lighten up or people will just go back to EVE online. : /

Oh and I dropped the f-bomb. Completely legit swear word. It was intentional.

My message was "You has been banned." Grammar is a bit of a problem here, as well. Just fyi.

Has anyone tried fracking or frak in chat? I'd be interested in what pops up.

GreyWeasel

13.01.2011, 09:40

My message was "You has been banned." Grammar is a bit of a problem here

I suspect that this is deliberate as it seems to have been left in even though it has been reported before.

It really doesn't matter if the kiddies have heard the big people words before, that hardly makes it better for them to hear the same more...

And offering an optional filter will do nothing to reassure the sensitive parent that their beloved little one won't change the setting and get all teh nasty words.

Nor does word change or ****ing words avoid the little ones knowing that someone is using naughty words and then trying to guess what they are...

But really, its a design concept choice and the Devs seem quite attached to it so all that is likely to happen is to get the filter list more refined and the ban a shorter duration.

Shadowspawn

13.01.2011, 14:03

I believe that accidental use is not a crime, person has to be worned. If this person proceeds then you are entitled to do whatever you see fit.
You can't "accidentally" curse in chat. You have to manually type out the letters and then hit the Enter key. Doing so is completely under your control and it is a conscious decision on your part to hit that Enter key. There are no accidents.

japanitrat

13.01.2011, 20:18

You can't "accidentally" curse in chat. You have to manually type out the letters and then hit the Enter key. Doing so is completely under your control and it is a conscious decision on your part to hit that Enter key. There are no accidents.

yeah right, like you never accidently curse with your voice .. sure

Shadowspawn

13.01.2011, 20:24

yeah right, like you never accidently curse with your voice .. sure
I didn't say voice, now did I? I specifically said typing. There are no accidents when you type it out and have to hit enter to send.

GreyWeasel

13.01.2011, 21:46

Yes, I seem to keep running into youngsters that confuse talking with typing.

I have seen the claim by many that they are so comfortable and used to typing that its like talking to them.

The problem is that to make this comparison work, they would have to type each syllable and hit enter after each.

Because thats how spoken communication works - each syllable is expressed and out there as you go along.

Typing, not so much. Whole multi syllable strings are constructed before expressing them with the enter key.

-TheDoctor-1

13.01.2011, 21:59

I didn't say voice, now did I? I specifically said typing. There are no accidents when you type it out and have to hit enter to send.
Yes but what happens when you have a typing error? I got banned once when I was fighting and I quickly went to type "hello" and I forgot the 'o' and corrected it after but still got the ban

GreyWeasel

13.01.2011, 22:02

Yes but what happens when you have a typing error? I got banned once when I was fighting and I quickly went to type "hello" and I forgot the 'o' and corrected it after but still got the ban

Typing error is unfortunate...

But you can't 'accidentally' let slip an actual swearword that isn't a typo.

By definition, its not a typo when its what you were trying to type.

Shadowspawn

13.01.2011, 22:32

Typing error is unfortunate...

But you can't 'accidentally' let slip an actual swearword that isn't a typo.

By definition, its not a typo when its what you were trying to type.
+1......This.....

xtLancer

13.01.2011, 22:50

How long does ban last? I got angry and called some dude an asshole for taking my kill when i was getting jumped by a raider and I got banned. Just curious for how long.

Sadiro

13.01.2011, 23:26

Yea - I agree.... This chat ban is just too much now.

I forgave all the other glitches/flaws/mistakes/ stupidity of this so called "beta" - But this really drove me over the edge, and whats worse is, its not even me that was banned - It was an in game friend i had met.

Hes been chat banned for NO reason what so ever - hes a family man - kids etc.....he doesnt curse, always polite, always friendly....always considerate.

But we were waiting on someone logging on so we could go start our missions - when i noticed he wasnt talking....at all.

So i left it 20min - still no talk - but i could see his HP and that was still coming down.

Turns out, yea hes been chat ban - and has no idea why.

How long does this ridiculous thing last?

Im not a trouble makers - and i dont intend to cause flames, But something as stupid and little as this - is enough to make me and others quit.

Key to any successful game - is communication, Thats a lil hard when words like "Get'em" get you banned.

Fix it please....

c0mad0r

14.01.2011, 00:28

Again, I just don't think the current implementation is going to work what so ever. I don't care how many words are added, there will always be some slang that gets banned and thus will make people mad.

Let the people decide what they want to see instead of having the Development team moderate and thus, decide for the players.

Check box language filter: on/off

Please.

GreyWeasel

14.01.2011, 00:33

Let the people decide what they want to see instead of having the Development team moderate and thus, decide for the players.

Check box language filter: on/off

Just not going to happen. And you know why? Because the chatbanhammer isn't there for the player, its there for the players parents.

Whats the point of releaseing a game intended to include a junior market (safe for all ages as there is NO swearing, not even **** you, you ****ing ****faced child ****ing ******bag with a small deformed *****...) when out of the parents sight the child can change the filter option...

Archangel44

14.01.2011, 00:40

There are a bunch of posts here, but I have to ask...

Are you sure they haven't fallen prey to the known bug that shuts down chat?

I've experienced this myself and reported it. It is a known bug of this build. You experience complete channel shutdown.

@Shadowspawn - I think the "accidental cursing" comment was about a typo, i.e. typing Hell instead of Helo.

Archangel44

14.01.2011, 00:45

**** you, you ****ing ****faced child ****ing ******bag with a small deformed *****...)

That's just buckets of awesomeness. :cool:

You should make that your signature.

GreyWeasel

14.01.2011, 00:56

That's just buckets of awesomeness. http://en.board.bigpoint.com/bgo/images/_games/bgo/smilies/cool.gif
Why thank you. I do hope it points out the lack of actual effect from * censoring. I spent a momnet picking words that should be readily obvious regardless of covering them over. And even if you get them wrong, they won't be far off the original intended effect.

Edit by Nick

Sadiro

14.01.2011, 01:29

Ahh - I see my post doesnt count?

Is that cause i dont have as much post count as others?

Am i considered a nobody as well as anyone else here under 30posts.

Unreal.

Its a simple solution , Keep the fans happy, Or kiss your game bye bye.

Having my post removed - When nothing in it, was out of context or consideration - Just goes to show you what kinda treatment i can expect in future developments....

Good going :)

Nick-Nugget

14.01.2011, 01:35

Ahh - I see my post doesnt count?

Is that cause i dont have as much post count as others?

Am i considered a nobody as well as anyone else here under 30posts.

Unreal.

Its a simple solution , Keep the fans happy, Or kiss your game bye bye.

You´re not considered as a nobody. I just had to do some cleaning in this thread.
Just keep a cool head when you post ;)

GreyWeasel

14.01.2011, 01:37

Ahh - I see my post doesnt count? Ehhh? Where do you get that idea from?

Is that cause i dont have as much post count as others?Ummm, what?

Am i considered a nobody as well as anyone else here under 30posts.Nope.

Unreal.

Its a simple solution , Keep the fans happy, Or kiss your game bye bye.Can't please all of the people all of the time. Best you can ever hope for is most of the people, most of the time.

I'd say that the Devs have calculated that there is a bigger market for a game that doesn't allow any swearing, at all, than the market for a game where swearing is allowed or even optional.

Whatever their reasoning, its the way they are going with the game and they show no signs of changing this other than making the list more current and the ban shorter term.

>>>> Added; Really not sure what you objected to in my previous post Nick, care to explain?

Sadiro

14.01.2011, 01:41

You´re not considered as a nobody. I just had to do some cleaning in this thread.
Just keep a cool head when you post ;)

Nick im from Scotland - If our heads got any cooler - It would freeze

I just dont agree that i should be talked to like an infant - Yet my post doesnt count?

Thats just plain wrong.

The chat filter needs some work - To NOT be able to see that is nothing short than denial.

My game is now completely ruined because the in game friend im roaming with, hasnt even got a clue that hes been chat banned.

I can no longer whisper him - communicate with him - or even tell him to relog or clear cache to try and fix it.

Clearly when you get put into positions where your game becomes "unfun" its upto the makers to question Why? and what can we do to prevent that.

Start by making a sophisticated and Friendly chat filter for starters - So people dont get banned for using words that are in no way what so ever, considered profanity.

We are testers after all - and for 11 pages, everyone else seems to think the same.

If the filter remains like this, it will become almost near impossible for people to actually play - because they get banned every 5min, for saying the word "get'em"

I know its clearly bug related - cause ive cursed a good few times in chat, and im still safe.

Its just kinda fun destroying when the people your playing with - get banned and can no longer communicate.

__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ______

Grey - Ill explain it for you, I commented on your last post, Nick didnt feel that it should have been seen (Obviously something in it upset him, Can see why - but wasnt far from the truth)

So hes trying to save the peace. Either that or playing favouritism.

But i know Nick wouldnt do that :P

GreyWeasel

14.01.2011, 01:52

We are testers after all - and for 11 pages, everyone else seems to think the same.Actually there is quite a range of division in what people seem to think in this thread. Some just seem to want to be able to do what they like and feel that its an infringment on their 'rights' to not be able to swear or see swearing. Some are just upset at the sensitivity of the filter. Some have complaints about the content of the filter list.

All we all seem to agree on is that SOMETHING needs done about it, not what.

Grey - Ill explain it for you, I commented on your last post, Nick didnt feel that it should have been seen (Obviously something in it upset him, Can see why - but wasnt far from the truth)The part I had edited out was actually a response to your post, the one he deleted of yours.

So hes trying to save the peace. Either that or playing favouritism.

But i know Nick wouldnt do that :PMmmm, I haven't seen it in the Forum rules but I am familiar with others that have a 'no politics' rule - perhaps my philosophical commentary on the 'rights' to 'freedom of speech' as it refers to terrorism or other criminal plotting was considered too much...?

Nick-Nugget

14.01.2011, 01:56

Nick im from Scotland
Ah dammit, now I kinda feel sorry I deleted your post ;)

So hes trying to save the peace.
Obviously I´m trying to do that because...

playing favouritism.

...I would never ever do that !!! :eek:

But i know Nick wouldnt do that :P

Man you really know me well :p

I have to admit I´m not a great fan of the way the chatfilter works too, but you have to keep in mind that there might be children too after release so you definitely need a way to suppress the "bad words" , and at the end of the day it´s just the way BP has decided it should work.

Sadiro

14.01.2011, 01:57

I think your throwing so many big words, and speaking like you just graduated from harvard - is your way to make yourself look/feel important.

I for one am not phased by it - And i understand your post count represents your length of being here, and i agree most people do know you alot more than me.

Just do me one favour - Stop talking "down" too people on these forums. Your coming off as the type of person i like to try avoid - cause you think your better, by the way you speak/type.

And yes - something we can agree on, The filter needs fixed, If you had perhaps just agreed to that in the first place, instead of slandering everyone for what "they" believe to be a fix, All this wouldnt have came up.

and - Im now done with this topic/thread - As i stated before, im not a trouble maker, And i dont want this thread going overboard with trolls and flames...So i think ill stop and take my leave.

Just again with my 2 cents - the filter needs fixed, dramatically.

__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _____

Aww Nick <3

See Grey - how hard was that? If Nick can do it, So can you!!!

But yea filter needs work - other than that, the game is amazing...

Just our of curiosity - Sorry again.

If someone else gets banned - When you try invite them, "***** has declined your invite" pops up almost automatically - im guessing this is part of the ban?

Nick-Nugget

14.01.2011, 02:04

Aww Nick <3

See Grey - how hard was that? If Nick can do it, So can you!!!

But yea filter needs work - other than that, the game is amazing...

Just our of curiosity - Sorry again.

If someone else gets banned - When you try invite them, "***** has declined your invite" pops up almost automatically - im guessing this is part of the ban?

I don´t think this is intended but I´ll check it cause chat and squad invite is a bit touchy, once chat went down and with it the whole squadron function.

Sadiro

14.01.2011, 02:09

I don´t think this is intended but I´ll check it cause chat and squad invite is a bit touchy, once chat went down and with it the whole squadron function.

Yea - Just seemed a tad weird how he could invite me - but every time i tried to invite him, just automaticly "Declined", Although i managed to invite him to the guild.

I think for the Whole chat filter thing - maybe the ban and everything will work out in time...

One suggestion though - Is to be able to still at least speak in Guild/Whispers.

Guild chat because - its upto the leader or rankers - to punish guildies if the cursing gets outta hand.

Whisper - Any form of communication "even just to say - sorry im banned again!" is better than being put in complete silence.

But thank you again for checking into that Nick, Appreciated.

GreyWeasel

14.01.2011, 02:13

I think your throwing so many big words, and speaking like you just graduated from harvard - is your way to make yourself look/feel important.I apologise for having a bigger vocabulary than you.

I for one am not phased by it - And i understand your post count represents your length of being here, and i agree most people do know you alot more than me.Good, big vocab doesn't make for more intellect. Nor does post count do much to indicate duration here as ther eis a social forum and people can spam.

Just do me one favour - Stop talking "down" too people on these forums. Your coming off as the type of person i like to try avoid - cause you think your better, by the way you speak/type.Once again, I'm sorry if thats the way you take me.

And yes - something we can agree on, The filter needs fixed, If you had perhaps just agreed to that in the first place, Never disagreed with this...

instead of slandering everyone for what "they" believe to be a fix, All this wouldnt have came up.Nor did I slander anyone. Closest I came was pointing out that if you considered the development of a parent friendly chat filter a fail, perhaps it was the other way round.

and - Im now done with this topic/thread - As i stated before, im not a trouble maker, And i dont want this thread going overboard with trolls and flames...So i think ill stop and take my leave.Fair enough.

Just again with my 2 cents - the filter needs fixed, dramatically.Yes. But the Devs seem set on making the style they have work, not replacing it with a more traditional style filter.

Sadiro

14.01.2011, 02:18

lol - You just cant help yourself can you...

Your the type that loves to throw fuel on the fire.

And what makes you think your vocabulary is bigger than mine? Cause you use it on every single post?

So that makes me....Stupid?

Arrogant at its best.

We Scottish like to make our own vocabulary anyways. Ill teach you one day when the Filter gets removed :))

But no no , on a serious note... I understand what your saying - and to some respect, i agree with it.

Nah who am i kidding, I just like to keep the peace.

Nick-Nugget

14.01.2011, 02:22

I would appreciate if you both (Sadiro and Grey) could stop your discussion here, I think it won´t end well otherwise ;)

Archangel44

14.01.2011, 02:25

@Nick I suppose now would be the wrong time to tell them both to go **** a ***** with a couple of ****ing ******* ******** and a ******* skin job ******* too?

Just guessin' here...

;)

GreyWeasel

14.01.2011, 02:34

lol - You just cant help yourself can you... pot, kettle, black.... :p

Your the type that loves to throw fuel on the fire.darn, I tought there was water in that container....

And what makes you think your vocabulary is bigger than mine? Cause you use it on every single post?You were the one that told me I was using lotsa big words...

So that makes me....Stupid?Didn't say that at all. You'd feel better if you didn't take offense so fast and actually read what was posted... I in fact said that big vocab no sign of intellect....

Arrogant at its best.Cheers :)

We Scottish like to make our own vocabulary anyways. Ill teach you one day when the Filter gets removed http://en.board.bigpoint.com/bgo/images/_games/bgo/smilies/smile.gif)Am familiar with my lesser Celtic Kinfolk ;p

But no no , on a serious note... I understand what your saying - and to some respect, i agree with it.

Nah who am i kidding, I just like to keep the peace.Fair enough, each to their own opinion. :)

@Nick I suppose now would be the wrong time to tell them both to go **** a ***** with a couple of ****ing ******* ******** and a ******* skin job ******* too?

Just guessin' here...

;)Bwahahahaha!!!!! Perhaps not. :p

c0mad0r

14.01.2011, 02:42

Just not going to happen. And you know why? Because the chatbanhammer isn't there for the player, its there for the players parents.

Whats the point of releaseing a game intended to include a junior market (safe for all ages as there is NO swearing, not even **** you, you ****ing ****faced child ****ing ******bag with a small deformed *****...) when out of the parents sight the child can change the filter option...

Because there is no preventing cursing in public. What are you going to do, walk around the mall with your kids wearing ear muffs and monitor everything they do, watch, and hear? If a child doesn't know how to handle profanity then I'd consider that a parenting issue, not a Corporate policy.

My 7 year old twins have heard me swear on a number of occasions and I tell them each time that those are grown up words and not appropriate for them to use. However, I recall being their age and secretly using them amongst friends, it's a part of growing up.

Trust me, I do not want people running around with userid and ship names that have derogatory connotations either because I am a parent as much as many others are, but general chat is something that is much harder to control.

Even with the most advanced chat filter in the World, people can say any number of derogatory words that will always be understood by the audience. From using "l33t speek" to any combination of charmap characters and spaces, people ALWAYS find ways around said system. If you don't believe that, show me one that is perfect.

FYI.. I love your example dude... seriously! Reminds me of the old Madlibs I used to buy as a kid: http://www.madlibs.com/

GreyWeasel

14.01.2011, 03:00

Because there is no preventing cursing in public. What are you going to do, walk around the mall with your kids wearing ear muffs and monitor everything they do, watch, and hear? If a child doesn't know how to handle profanity then I'd consider that a parenting issue, not a Corporate policy.Game is not public, game is private with public access. Host gets to make the house rules.

My 7 year old twins have heard me swear on a number of occasions and I tell them each time that those are grown up words and not appropriate for them to use. However, I recall being their age and secretly using them amongst friends, it's a part of growing up.I have no kids but I clearly remember the time of life you talk of.

Trust me, I do not want people running around with userid and ship names that have derogatory connotations either because I am a parent as much as many others are, but general chat is something that is much harder to control. Actually, an auto (ie non Moderated) userid and shipname check would have to run of the same sort of list as the chat filter. only difference is the one time nature of naming stuff adn the ongoing nature of chat.

Even with the most advanced chat filter in the World, people can say any number of derogatory words that will always be understood by the audience. From using "l33t speek" to any combination of charmap characters and spaces, people ALWAYS find ways around said system. If you don't believe that, show me one that is perfect.That is my point entirely - no system will be perfect. This system is just different and takes a different approach to the problem.

FYI.. I love your example dude... seriously! Reminds me of the old Madlibs I used to buy as a kid: http://www.madlibs.com/TY :)

Shadowspawn

14.01.2011, 12:16

@Shadowspawn - I think the "accidental cursing" comment was about a typo, i.e. typing Hell instead of Helo.
Ah, but then hell isn't a curse word, it's a place. As Gray pointed out, there are no curse words that can be accidentally typed out.

GreyWeasel

14.01.2011, 17:22

Ah, but then hell isn't a curse word, it's a place. As Gray pointed out, there are no curse words that can be accidentally typed out.

Actually, what I was saying is that a typo is an accident and is unfortunate. 'Hell' for 'hello' is one of those. And Hell, is most definitely considered swearing (of teh blasphemousness sort) in many parts of the world.

There are plenty of swearwords hidden in real words if we are using a wildcard censor sensor (+1 pun point plz) as I have pointed out a couple of times with 'ballet' and 'Scunthorpe'

What I am saying is that its not an 'accident' when you type out a swear word and hit enter when thats the word you were intending to type.

'It just slipped out' ain't no excuse nor do it be comparable to a word slipping out in speech. Your finger hits the 'f' key. Your finger hits the 'u' key. Your finger hits the 'c' key. Your finger hits the 'k' key. Then your finer hits the 'enter' key. 5 time slices (no matter how small, no matter how fast you type) where you could have stopped.

'But I type real fast' just translates to 'I don't think fast enough'.

Archangel44

14.01.2011, 18:13

'But I type real fast' just translates to 'I don't think fast enough'.

I agree. Obviously, you are a human.

FTR, I wasn't justifying or legitamizing swearing online. When I ran an online game, we had a place to stick people that couldn't seem to control their tongues. Ironically the room was called "Deep S***". :D

DeadSpaceX

15.01.2011, 10:48

it's effed UP, i typed 'heya puff' short form of a squadmates name, in that channel and next thing i know i'm banned from chat..a little restrictive? how can 'heya puff' be in any foul language of any sort?
further, there was no way for me to tell either of them wtf happened, that's beyond messed up, bad enough chat resets channels every time you jump, now there's an insane censor in place that completely mutes you for...sheer randomness?

GreyWeasel

15.01.2011, 11:54

DeadSpaceX

15.01.2011, 12:03

lol, this one is fairly easy to pick if you think about it, the hyper sensitive censor thinks yo are making drug references... :)

just.../facepalm if true, this is an mmo based off a brutal story about the almost complete annihilation of the human race. treachery, traitors, turncoats, torture both physical and mental...even alcoholics abound...and 'puff' is considered censor worthy? whomever wrote the list for the censor to freak on needs to watch the series...and rethink their list.

i've played a ton of mmo's...this is the first time ever i've been banned from chat. i've only hit other game censors when they ignore spaces between words like 'bash it' but never banned, censor just *** out what it thought was foul language. a bit draconian is an understatement for whomever designed this one.

GreyWeasel

15.01.2011, 12:28

Beerstein

15.01.2011, 20:34

Got banned again yesterday, don't even know why. I was telling my squadron to watch out for a guy who might come back in his tier 3 ship when I got the msg =/ did a few missions and logged, not much fun when you can't talk to anyone, this is getting old fast, I may just move onto other games, if I wanted to play a single player game I would.

DeadSpaceX

15.01.2011, 21:18

If you seperate out the issue of being chatbanned, it runs on the same system as any other filter.

Sure, everyone knows the list is naff and needs a serious overhaul. If there wasn't a chatban you'd have got 'heya ***' and the list still would need work...

But that aside, the Devs seem set on attaching a chatban rather than a word replace to the filter list. Check some of my posts above for the logic of why ****ing out words may be considered unsuitable.

*** is more suitable instead of running into an insta chat ban, more suitable even with out insta ban, as i said above, if a censor ignores spaces, which most do, the combos of words can trigger one...and whomever wrote this list considered waaay too much censurable. 'my eyes are puffy' insta ban 'i ate some puff pastry' insta ban get the picture?

what other words are on that list? not going to even bother to dig up your post on why bans are acceptable..i don't like censors period, i know they're necessary because many are incapable of censoring themselves i'm not one of them. how i described what happened and how ticked i was in to adult friends cannot even be put on these forums, how i would describe this in game could be, i keep things clean for the simple fact you don't know the age or sensibilities of whom you might be talking to.

as beerstein stated, not something that endears me to the game, in fact it's more of a minefield of the twisted logic of the censor...i don't know what words are on that list, frustration at attempting to second guess everything i type, or not bothering and getting nailed with bans for words that shouldn't be on the list = unplayable game. another one, puff of smoke, not a commonly used word...but it is used, less in drug ref in 2011...i mean seriously...puff is circa 1970 drug ref.

and how did the player get past the censor? puffy (part of the ign) means no one can type his name without getting banned? though i think it was a combo heya puff, other wing mate said puffy and didn't get banned... yeah wall-o-text. but there's no excuses for sloppy coding, no excuses for a tyrannical censor with a word list even the moral majority would consider a bit extreme. especially in a game based off such a harsh series where your objective is to murder other players. which somehow, by the censors twisted logic...is acceptable, while puff is not...

GreyWeasel

15.01.2011, 21:41

I guess seeing **** or seeing no message could be seen as a personal preference but...

Whats the point of releaseing a game intended to include a junior market (safe for all ages as there is NO swearing, not even **** you, you ****ing ****faced child ****ing ******bag with a small deformed *****...) when out of the parents sight the child can change the filter option...

As for 'heya puff' getting you banned, thats really over the top, I well agree. Only reason I picked that it might be mistaken for a drug reference is that I know how bad and out of date the word list seems to be.

There are 3 seperate issues here.
1; word replace or message delete.
2; bannhammer with above or not
3; content of wordlist

oh, 4 when you point out the censorlist doesn't seem to apply to character or ship names.

DeadSpaceX

15.01.2011, 22:18

I guess seeing **** or seeing no message could be seen as a personal preference but...

As for 'heya puff' getting you banned, thats really over the top, I well agree. Only reason I picked that it might be mistaken for a drug reference is that I know how bad and out of date the word list seems to be.

There are 3 seperate issues here.
1; word replace or message delete.
2; bannhammer with above or not
3; content of wordlist

oh, 4 when you point out the censorlist doesn't seem to apply to character or ship names.

heh, i've seen similar to that...the ***ing, etc. but that only matters if the reader in question already knows the words the *** are replacing...in which case the censor is unnecessary no? otherwise they'd have no clue what was intended to be said. one mmo i play takes out 5 characters before and after (also ignoring spaces in it's count) the offending word replacing the entire line with -----------it's one of the better ones i've seen, though it also ignores spaces, periods, slashes, or any other character that isn't a letter (it doesn't ignore numbers and !@#$ characters, which the ingenious use to replace letters bypassing the censor) so is fairly easy to accidentally trip. which isn't a big deal because you can just reword whatever tripped it. 'bash it' will trip it.

i think i'm out of the game, no idea how long this ban will last...since i'm still not sure what tripped it, doesn't seem to be something devs are at all concerned about so it must be 'working as intended' by their policy, even when i get unbanned...no surety that it won't happen again on some random word. censor needs removed until fixed.

another option, chat just rejects the whole input if it contains an offending word, no *** or --- needed, nothing gets seen and no bans (yay) why didn't they do it that way?

edit: same as delete message just reworded, i didn't catch del message at first -.-' terminology can be a bugger if you think in different terms

side note...*goes to rename ship ****ing censor THIS* jk ;)

edit the third: what's effed up is they already have half of input gets rejected in place since what gets banned doesn't get sent..why did they add insta ban to something that doesn't even get seen? where's the logic?

WyMeP

18.01.2011, 08:51

Everyone here except for 1 agrees that **** is an appropriate way to prevent younger generation from learning new words (emphasis is on NEW words, specially for Grey). Combine it with warning notice you have a pretty good way to filter chat. If person in question keeps using inappropriate language then ban him.

The problem from my point of view is that present system bans straight away without any notice. Accidental typing doesn’t mean that person doesn’t know what his hands are doing, it means that he didn’t realize that this exact word will have this effect.

New players will be coming from other games and as you can see many people just do not realize how strict present system is.

If everyone understands that it doesn’t matter how hard you try to change the word list you won’t succeed, may be it should be changed totally?

GreyWeasel

18.01.2011, 09:07

heh, i've seen similar to that...the ***ing, etc. but that only matters if the reader in question already knows the words the *** are replacing...in which case the censor is unnecessary no?Ummm, to answer you and it would appear WyMeP below - NO!

If you check up a few posts there is a **** heavy sentance that I came up with that most adult readers can pick out exactly what words i am ****ing out. But there are a few that could be a choice of a couple of words. And it doesn't matter which of the selection you pick, the level of insult is the same. So it doesn't matter if Little Johnny doesn't know the exact word under the ****, he knows its a nasty rude dirty words and this does 2 things - lets him guess what swear word it was and lets him know that adults talk like that and its a secret what the words are, prompting him to spend more time guessing....

i think i'm out of the game, no idea how long this ban will last...since i'm still not sure what tripped it, doesn't seem to be something devs are at all concerned about so it must be 'working as intended' by their policy, even when i get unbanned...no surety that it won't happen again on some random word. censor needs removed until fixed. Try wiping your browser cache and that should fix your chat ban. if that doesn't then wipe your Unity cache. Chat bans are stored in one of those and I have seen people back from a ban in under a minute.

another option, chat just rejects the whole input if it contains an offending word, no *** or --- needed, nothing gets seen and no bans (yay) why didn't they do it that way? To stop people typing the same message over and over, with variations, that the censor has to check each time...? I guess its a punichment otherwise. Devs haven't explained this one.

edit: same as delete message just reworded, i didn't catch del message at first -.-' terminology can be a bugger if you think in different terms Just to let you know that about 10 years ago, 'bugger' was formally declared good enough language to use in primetime advertising in my country - standards are very regional specific.

side note...*goes to rename ship ****ing censor THIS* jk ;)yes, i have been told that the censor doesn't check char or ship names.

Selwen

18.01.2011, 15:03

I've talked about this with people a lot, and everyone seems to agree it would be a great idea - anything at all deemed a verbal insult should simply be replaced with 'Frak'. Actually makes me wonder... is there a Cylon equivalent?

Yes there is a equivalent, toaster's aren't programed with critical thinking skills. their "Frak" is " By your Command" Fraking Tools.... :cool:

DarkTreader

19.01.2011, 21:12

Or maybe just do away with the censor altogether - especially through beta testing. I mean, to legally sign the NDA we have to be of legal age, which means there isn't a thing that we could read that we haven't heard a dozen or more times before.

Make the censor optional - for those that have it turned on, things are ***'d out. For those of us who are actually mature enough to play the game, let us play it our way. It's irritating to say 'I'm gonna go and piss off that toaster' and I'm banned for... who knows how long? 30 minutes? An hour? Even if it's in squad chat or PM.

That's a little heavy-handed in my book.

Shadowspawn

19.01.2011, 21:32

For those of us who are actually mature enough to play the game,
Swearing, or not swearing, has nothing to do with maturity. Ironically, it's the people who don't feel the need to swear in every other sentence, nor care to hear the same from others, who show true signs of maturity.

Side Note-

Check Grey's post on ****'ing text in chat. That idea has already been disabused.

DarkTreader

19.01.2011, 22:48

I don't mean maturity as in 'I'm so mature that I can swear OMG!' I mean maturity with regards to how you handle it. Sure, you'll likely have some little kid that drops f-bombs everywhere, and he'll get smacked for it. But I don't know of any mature adult that completely flips out over hearing minor swear words. I mean ffs, they're just -words-. It's not like it's a big frakkin deal.

And in regards to ***ing chat? Who cares if "Little Johnny" can figure out what the words are. If "Little Johnny" can't hack it, then he shouldn't play the game - and that goes for everyone. If you can't conduct yourself with maturity and aplomb, then go back to WoW.

GreyWeasel

20.01.2011, 03:40

And in regards to ***ing chat? Who cares if "Little Johnny" can figure out what the words are. If "Little Johnny" can't hack it, then he shouldn't play the game - and that goes for everyone. If you can't conduct yourself with maturity and aplomb, then go back to WoW.

Oh, that would be 'Little Johnny's' parents.

And that would be the point of the game being an All Ages release.

You want a game like that, go play something R18...

bam-butimpala

20.01.2011, 04:07

hello
I was Banat from Chatt, for writing (azz) can unban me please??
Yours sincerely

Shadowspawn

20.01.2011, 12:15

Oh, that would be 'Little Johnny's' parents.

And that would be the point of the game being an All Ages release.

You want a game like that, go play something R18...
Yup. The Devs decided before Closed Beta even started that this would be an all ages game and as such, would have a strict policy on the use of foul language. They are following the laws of the oirigin country, so complaining about it isn't going to do any good. The only thing to do at this point is move on to a game in which swearing is allowed, or get over it and learn to deal with it.

djape1977

20.01.2011, 18:49

ok, i got banned for using a F*** word, after i got killed in game.
that was yesterday.
i lerned my lesson, i should have read this and simmilar topics before....

please lift ban

Shadowspawn

28.01.2011, 15:35

ok, i got banned for using a F*** word, after i got killed in game.
that was yesterday.
i lerned my lesson, i should have read this and simmilar topics before....

please lift ban
It's a 24 hour ban, and from your post, well deserved. You'll have to wait until the ban lifts on its own. If it does not lift after 24 hours, you can contact support.

Karteileiche

28.01.2011, 15:53

okay, i got banned yesterday evening for using the f-word too. i forgot about the rules, so i deserve it not being able to write in the chat. but why the frak can´t i read the others writing in the chat? in my personal opinion this is a little bit TO harsh.

btw: word like the f-word and others result in the ban, but "frak" not? in the universe of the 12 colonies this wort is the most insulting word. especially in the caprica-series the "bad guys" are "spamming" frak. for example
frak you, you frakking motherfrakker
for this reason this word should be taken to the banned-word-list, too. :D

ChristopherXen

29.01.2011, 13:52

Honestly, the filter should be changed. Many games have it set where there is a chat filter, and you the user decide whats appropriate or not. While I myself dont really condone resorting to foul language in chat, theres alot of words in the filter that dont belong and some that do belong, like...Forums or Beta Chitchat.

But In all honesty most of us are adults, or at least over 13 (suprising sometimes I know.) but even typing out vent or TS information gets you banned.

lukeoverhere

30.01.2011, 04:36

I don't understand why the game just doesn't filter the words and obfuscate accordingly rather than dropping the ban hammer after somebody drops "unacceptable words".

burkej4

30.01.2011, 06:11

There really should be a filter instead of a ban. Every single MMO that I play has a filter that you can turn off. It is much better than an autoban especially since most, if not all of us are used to having these filters and are used to being able to say what we want.

especially when in a private chat with your friends.

Shadowspawn

30.01.2011, 12:34

The creators of BSGO decided before Closed Beta even started that this game would be all-ages friendly. They have stated that while they do agree that the chat filter is a bit too touchy and needs some refining, overall they are happy with it. The filter is setup according to the laws of BSGO's orgin country (Germany I believe) and will continue to work pretty much as it does now. The only thing anyone can do as a player is to think before hitting the Enter key. Swearing is not a necessity.

Setlec

31.01.2011, 04:18

so you can't say either "i'm pissed" and "toaster sucker" or you get banned.... what a stupid thing to blacklist "i'm pissed"....

Archangel44

31.01.2011, 04:47

so you can't say either "i'm pissed" and "toaster sucker" or you get banned.... what a stupid thing to blacklist "i'm pissed"....

You do of course have the option of funding and coding your own game with it's unique blend of unfiltered chat that we can complain to you about...:D

Setlec

31.01.2011, 15:11

You do of course have the option of funding and coding your own game with it's unique blend of unfiltered chat that we can complain to you about...:D
huh, ok! so your are talking about something that isn't related to topic... nice! keep it up!

back on topic!

Chat system should have a filter (that can be activated or not by the user) that like all game do have! banning people that write "i'm pissed" for who knws for how long, is way to much. ofc unless you (the dev) do want to have zero costumer....

Shadowspawn

31.01.2011, 15:34

Chat system should have a filter (that can be activated or not by the user) that like all game do have! banning people that write "i'm pissed" for who knws for how long, is way to much. ofc unless you (the dev) do want to have zero costumer....
So, allowing swearing in a game is a prerequisite for having players?

Please provide a link from an industry expert to where this information is posted anywhere on the Internet.

Setlec

31.01.2011, 15:56

take example of Eve online or maybe of WOW, those game are meant for all age despise of the fact that those games contains violence, blood and whatnot. They do allow swearing, they don't chat ban if you write f*** or pissed. If they would chat ban then they would loose their costumers.... most gamers nowadays are mature people. This is why they do have a chat filtering system that can be toggle on and off at the user own wish. So maybe the devs should consider the free speech and add the chat filtering that the player can toggle on/off or instead of chat banning for 24 hours, they could give a warning if that happens again the player could get a writing chat ban for... let's say 3 or 4 hours, with the ability to read other people messages.... you can't simply prohibit a costumer from something where there isn't such fine line to say what is right or wrong, specially when it comes to free speech! at least it's how i feel on this matter! i never use the F word ingame but chat ban is quite too much! would you play a MMO game wihtout the chat system?

Shadowspawn

31.01.2011, 16:05

Archangel44

31.01.2011, 16:32

I would also challenge Setlec's claim a couple posts back that most gamers are mature players.

That is SOOOOO not true. Age wise, perhaps, but there are no guarantees as far as behavior no matter what the age.

GreyWeasel

31.01.2011, 18:10

....what a stupid thing to blacklist "i'm pissed"....

Ummm, so why would you want to tell people you are drunk?

Or did you mean you were angry/annoyed?

Its an ambiguous and vaguely offensive term, why would it not be blacklisted?

Archangel44

31.01.2011, 18:23

Ummm, so why would you want to tell people you are drunk?

Or did you mean you were angry/annoyed?

Its an ambiguous and vaguely offensive term, why would it not be blacklisted?

Maybe he is literally pissed....I mean after all...grinding for 31 hours straight does have its consequences.:D

GreyWeasel

31.01.2011, 19:07

Maybe he is literally pissed....

'Literally'? Literally 'pissed' is the slang past tense of the verb 'piss', more formally urinate.

lol, without the rest of your post to indicate that you consider 'pissed' to mean angry or annoyed or irritated (one of the 2 slang options I gave but I am sure there are more) we have to go by the subtle clue of the word prior. "HAS pissed" (correct formal use of the slang) is quite different from "IS pissed" (secondary slang use of the slang) where 'pissed' is a state of being, either drunkenness or angry/annoyed.

Archangel44

31.01.2011, 19:20

'Literally'? Literally 'pissed' is the slang past tense of the verb 'piss', more formally urinate.

lol, without the rest of your post to indicate that you consider 'pissed' to mean angry or annoyed or irritated (one of the 2 slang options I gave but I am sure there are more) we have to go by the subtle clue of the word prior. "HAS pissed" (correct formal use of the slang) is quite different from "IS pissed" (secondary slang use of the slang) where 'pissed' is a state of being, either drunkenness or angry/annoyed.

Semantics! You've blinded me with...SEMANTICS!

BTW...the 21st century called. Gray is now spelled sans "e".:D

GreyWeasel

31.01.2011, 19:44

Semantics! You've blinded me with...SEMANTICS!lol, thought you said 'Semitics' there for a second - bad puns are a default setting :p

BTW...the 21st century called. Gray is now spelled sans "e".:DIs that the 'e' that you stolez from 'axe'? :P

Archangel44

31.01.2011, 19:46

lol, thought you said 'Semitics' there for a second - bad puns are a default setting :p

Is that the 'e' that you stolez from 'axe'? :P

Silly...everyone knows it's spelled "ask".

GreyWeasel

31.01.2011, 19:53

Ouch. :p

I wonder, have we demonstrated enough how/why slang is ambiguous enough to filter out especially when it has vaguely rude connotations?

Or should we butcher the english language some more?

Setlec

31.01.2011, 21:22

@GreyWeasel: hey when did i say that i was drunk???? i was angry/annoyed by some stuff from the game specially the squad bugs...

GreyWeasel

01.02.2011, 05:29

@GreyWeasel: hey when did i say that i was drunk???? i was angry/annoyed by some stuff from the game specially the squad bugs...

Oh, I had thought I had explained fairly well - its a possible interpretation of the statement "I'm pissed".

"I'm pissed" is really a vague and incomplete sentance, a shortened form of either "I'm pissed (off)" or "I'm (as) pissed (as a newt/chook...), leaving the possibility that you were telling us you were drunk. Or angry/annoyed.

As I say, thats part of the reason that slang gets dropped from chat filters along with swear words.

Whats the age that a General or All Ages release is aimed at? 12ish? If so, I'd say that 'pissed' was quite well deserved of being on the filter list.

Neomale

02.02.2011, 10:55

Any idea how long a ban takes cos I typed "crap" once and it said MESSAGE DECLINED I thought it was a bug and when I was with someone a bit later and a toaster attacked I said "Attack that one toaster" then I saw a second and without thinking I tried typing " f*** theres 2" And I guess that wasent permitted cos I got banned then. Offcourse I didnt type the stars but the full word but I dont dare to repeat it dont wanne get banned from forums aswell LOL It says now CHATTING IS UNAVAILABLE NOW. Then it says REASON YOUR ACCOUNT HAS BEEN BANNED. Then I think it tries to say how long but it says %&.BGO.ETC.BAN_EXPIRES% so I guess in that last line the time needs to be displayed but theres apperently a script error so I have no idea when.

Personally I think there should be a better warning system like. "You tried typing a banned word next time you will be banned i.e. 12/24 hours". But it came without warning. I play alot off MMORPG like World of Warcraft mainly and there you dont get those things so I wasent aware it could even happen.

Furthermore I think that when you are banned from system chat that you should at least be able to talk to your wing cos I'm a leader and now I guess they are all wondering why I'm not responding but I can't help it. :rolleyes:

Casstiel

02.02.2011, 11:30

ok, so i was chatting it up with some people and i typed 'crap' and 'hell'. Next thing i know, the chat window says "message has been declined". So....banned from chat?

I am banned to. How long is this bann? I write in the chat *moderated* off lags, and now i cant write nothing.

2pts for language.
MrEx

Shadowspawn

02.02.2011, 12:44

I am banned to. How long is this bann? I write in the chat *moderated* off lags, and now i cant write nothing.
Please edit your post Casstiel. You know profanity isn't allowed here.

To answer your question, that word gives a 24 hour ban. Bans can be from 30 minutes-24 hours from what I've seen.

Warning for quoting bad language.
MrEx

Neomale

02.02.2011, 17:54

Please edit your post Casstiel. You know profanity isn't allowed here.

To answer your question, that word gives a 24 hour ban. Bans can be from 30 minutes-24 hours from what I've seen.

I hope your right that means it should be over when the server goes back up after the 1.6 patch :cool:

Nice avatar picture btw, if im not mistaken its the original Starbuck from the old series aka Face from The A-Team :P

Thx for your response.

Neo32

02.02.2011, 21:29

Uh. i just got banned... for being in the same system as someone who said wtf? i didn't even get a 'message declined' thingy.

please relax the rules on being banned from chat. also, please be VERY explicit on the common terms which may lead to a ban. it really does affect gameplay tremendously

JerryChristian

03.02.2011, 00:38

I was asking advice on how to set up my Maul's weapons, and I said: "My ship is set up terribly, I really need advice." Insta-ban. Why?

Itz_BereTTa

03.02.2011, 06:42

Was there a global chat ban tested tonight? I have not found a thread for it yet but I have not been able to chat in system, wing, wisper or even fleet. My friend logged on and he could talk for a couple minutes then his chat died. I did not see anyone talking in system either. Mine started around 9pm.

chiemara

03.02.2011, 06:54

chat ban = censorship?

I am an adult, and I know there are kids that might play

However a chat ban is the exact opposite of what should be implemented.

There should be a filter that is optional.

Not to mention I had no warning before I couldn't tell my team mates that a level 13 was back yet again and we were all lvl 6 and below.

That's another gripe, upper levels should be stuck in an area with others around the same level, not free to roam around the lower levels to cause them grief.

wow, these issues need fixed before I give up a dime to this game.

NO chat ban, NO mixing of upper and lower level players beyond 3 level difference.

OH, and I got banned for typing the non-cuss word Bitch (female dog)

The exact sentence was:

Zapper likes being lvl 13 and beating on lower levels and keeps jumping out like a little Bitch...

Shadowspawn

03.02.2011, 12:00

OH, and I got banned for typing the non-cuss word ***** (female dog)

The exact sentence was:

Zapper likes being lvl 13 and beating on lower levels and keeps jumping out like a little *****...
Sorry, but that IS swearing, whether you want to think it is or not. The original meaning of that word has changed over the last few hundred years.....

Archangel44

03.02.2011, 16:40

chat ban = censorship?

Nope...your personal right to free speech does not extend inside the private domains of someone else's property nor does it give anyone the right to slander another person.

Management always has the right to refuse service based upon your behavior.

Blackbox

03.02.2011, 16:52

Well said, Archangel44.

chiemara

03.02.2011, 17:35

Well, then I guess this game doesn't get my money and probably the monies of a lot of customers fed up with corporations thinking they own their customers.

I don't like censorship. If I don't want my children to see something, it's my responsibility to censor them. NOBODY else, and it pisses me off to no end that any corporation or government thinks it has the right to tell me what I can and can't do with/to my body or what I have to block from my children's view.

It also pisses me off that a lot of LAZY parents let corporations and the government censor their children instead of those parents taking responsibility for that duty, as they should, but don't because they don't want to deal with it or are too LAZY to.

It's the parents responsibility to censor their kids, nobody else.

I'm the adult, I pay my taxes then I'm their boss, if I'm your customer Im your boss.

Customer is always right

Chat filter with toggle option is the right way. Chat ban is lazy programming and it is saying you know best for us, like you are our parents. This is all kinds of wrong.

Archangel44, If management refuses the right based on trying to be my parent, then so be it. They can go bankrupt with their antiquated and ignorant beliefs and thoughts. They deserve to, and it is what will happen.

Management does not, nor ever will, have the right to arbitrarily enforce censorship on it's customers who are THEIR boss, Archangel44.

Chat filter with toggle option is the right way, chat ban is not.

Blackbox

03.02.2011, 17:51

I am really sorry to hear you don't like this, but it's the current system in use at this time and I am not sure if any new system changes to it, will be available before launch.

As a gamer, I have learned, adapted and overcome and it's my hope you will come to approve of the system enough, that you can play. May I also suggest, that you hook up with a wing that uses VOIP? This could resolve your issue's with typing allowing you to continue your fun with us.

Please watch for future patch notes, for changes to this system and thanks for your suggestion.

Shadowspawn

03.02.2011, 18:12

I don't like censorship. If I don't want my children to see something, it's my responsibility to censor them. NOBODY else, and it pisses me off to no end that any corporation or government thinks it has the right to tell me what I can and can't do with/to my body or what I have to block from my children's view.

They're not censoring you or your children. They're censoring the environment in a product that they own according to the laws of the origin country, which is not the US. You are also missing the fact that free speech does not give you or anyone else the right to swear around others. In the US it's actually a crime. Try cussing out a cop and see what happens. Make sure you tell him you have a right to free speech.

Management does not, nor ever will, have the right to arbitrarily enforce censorship on it's customers who are THEIR boss, Archangel44.
It's their game, they can do whatever they want with it. You have the right to make a choice to play or not, but you don't have the right to tell them what they can and cannot do with something that they own and you do not. It's also a FTP game. The only "customer" is the person who buys cubits. Everyone else is a "potential" customer.

I'd also like to add that the customer is always right......except when they're wrong.

Broken_Digit1

03.02.2011, 20:41

Is it me, or, does everyone with chat issues, ignore the obvious substitutes, such as, Teamspeak, Skype etc, far easier to cuss hands free, in private, and, would result in a large volume of forum posts being negated.

I'm obviously missing something with this, 'I reserve the right to cuss wherever and whenever, even though I wouldn't risk it in public, attitude' *shakes head*

Before I get flamed out of existence, please note I said 'in public', we all know how the cuss barometer goes ... .. .

Close friends - pretty much no holds barred

Work colleagues - they each have their own level, dance around the PC stuff

Public, a bank or, a store - possibly being cuss free will advance you in life, result in less arrests, and, is frakking obvious

BGO - right here, deal with it :)

Hera

04.02.2011, 15:25

I will try to make this as clear as possible.

The need to "censor" as you put it is a right of the provider of the platform. Since there is no age requirement to play, the maximum censorship of vulgar or questionable language must be enforced for the well being of our younger players.

While this moderator has empathy for the verbally challenged, I cannot personally, nor as a moderator, condone foul language as a substitute for graphic vernacular of the given mental state of the writer. I suggest a thesaurus if you need better ways to describe your current state or to emphasize a point.

So in closing, if you can't keep your language to what you might utter to your grandmother or preist it may be best to simply keep it to yourself. We will vehemently enforce the chat rules (without exception) to make BGO a family friendly game of warring factions bent on complete annhilation of each other.

Hope this clears things up for you.